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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Japanese Sheilds Reply with quote
Most armies that fought with swords and spears throughout the world used sheilds held in their hands or on their arms. Are their any examples of japanese sheilds? I'm pretty sure japanese warriors would probably have used sheilds originally because they were influenced by China. I'm just curious if anyone may know more about japanese warriors and sheilds. Can it be assumed that japanese warriors gave up hand held sheilds in favor of simply having reinforced armor? It's obvious that it is beneficial to have as many hands available as possible. Maybe the evolution of martial arts and the weapons the warriors preferred to use in battle caused sheilds to disapear. The environment could be another reason I'm guessing. It's sort of hard to run up and down through trees and mountainous terrain with a sheild, but then again earopeans did it. Maybe there never was any sheilds in japan and there is no reason other than that they simply didn't develop them. Does anyone know? What am I saying? Of course one of you knows.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ancient Japanese warriors, before the samurai, used shields. Footsoldiers formed into 'phalanxes' with shields.
Reenactors:

Reenactor. The 'pants' may be incorrect here.

Illustration showing how the pants should look like.


The early samurai had very large shoulder guards (sode) which acted like shields and left both hands free to wield weapons.



Large portable wooden shields or pavises were used up to the end of the Sengoku period. They provided improvised barricades, roadblocks, defensive works. They were used in siegelines to provide cover for besieging missile troops. For defending forts these wooden shields were strategically placed to create layers of defense and redoubts. For an army on the battlefield they created makeshift defensive walls for the daimyo's HQ.

28mm versions I sculpted:



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow interesting, thanks for the response!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Can You tell me what was the japanese name of these wooden mantlets? I've heard that it was called "tate"...Is this correct? If it is, than it is the "tate" from the karakter means "stand"? (立て)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Macal wrote:
Can You tell me what was the japanese name of these wooden mantlets? I've heard that it was called "tate"...Is this correct? If it is, than it is the "tate" from the karakter means "stand"? (立て)


"Tate" is correct (although there may be other synonyms out there), but the kanji would be 楯 or 盾.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Can You tell me what was the japanese name of these wooden mantlets? I've heard that it was called "tate"...Is this correct? If it is, than it is the "tate" from the karakter means "stand"? (立て)


"Tate" is correct (although there may be other synonyms out there), but the kanji would be 楯 or 盾.


Thanx for the fast reply!Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Illustration showing how the pants should look like.


The early samurai had very large shoulder guards (sode) which acted like shields and left both hands free to wield weapons.


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evalerio, can you tell me the source of the above illustration and where/whose the armour in the 2nd pic is/was (or any info you know about it)?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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evalerio, can you tell me the source of the above illustration and where/whose the armour in the 2nd pic is/was (or any info you know about it)?

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Hello, Warren,

The illustration came from The Samurai Gallery:
http://www.kiku.com/electric_samurai/cobweb_castle/samurai_gallery.html

I'll have to look for the armour in my books, but I don't remember a name of the owner of the armour. Here's a more impressive photo of the same armour from Jo Anseeuw's gallery:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's an extremely common lacing pattern for armours of the period. I don't even recall if that suit is attributed to anyone in particular.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the replies ... about the armour, can you tell me what period it's from and what museum/gallery it's in?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Muromachi Period, 15th Century
Tokyo National Museum


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


This is Ninja Armor - so you can hide in the fall foliage and not be seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks again for the info ... I had thought the armour looked familiar and now I know I had seen it at the museum when I lived in Tokyo a few years back.
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