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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The guy who wrote the teppo article is a moron.

He even attributes the following quotation to Bryant 2002:
"While on this island the Portuguese had offered one of their matchlock rifles as a gift to the local lord"
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It was either that or Wikipedia.


Bethetsu wrote:
maikeruart wrote:

The guy who wrote the teppo article is a moron.

He even attributes the following quotation to Bryant 2002:
"While on this island the Portuguese had offered one of their matchlock rifles as a gift to the local lord"
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bethetsu wrote:

He even attributes the following quotation to Bryant 2002:
"While on this island the Portuguese had offered one of their matchlock rifles as a gift to the local lord"


Tony is pretty consistent in calling them 'matchlock muskets' in his Osprey books. I'm not really sure where maikeru got that quote.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ditto.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tatsunoshi wrote:
Bethetsu wrote:

He even attributes the following quotation to Bryant 2002:
"While on this island the Portuguese had offered one of their matchlock rifles as a gift to the local lord"


Tony is pretty consistent in calling them 'matchlock muskets' in his Osprey books. I'm not really sure where maikeru got that quote.


I apreciate the fact checking, it appears to be a minor miscitation from the editing phase. I will edit it so it isn't craptastic. And I meant no offense to Tony, honestly, no really.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
LOL! No problem.

I'll call off the ninja.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LOL! No problem.

I'll call off the ninja.


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Has anyone seen my twin brother, he went missing last night?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ummm.... nope, not at all....

(moves the big hatbox-like container out of the way).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ummm.... nope, not at all....

(moves the big hatbox-like container out of the way).


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I hope they don't open a tataki resteraunt or steakhouse under you?

My girlfriend hates the butchers in my town because his house looks like the one from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rifles were not good back then because they were unpredictable and could go off at any second
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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rifles were not good back then because they were unpredictable and could go off at any second


Which rifles and what 'back then' are you referring to? Were you referring to firearms used by samurai?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My girlfriend hates the butchers in my town because his house looks like the one from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.


Strangely enough, the house the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed in is now a high class restaurant.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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maikeruart wrote:
My girlfriend hates the butchers in my town because his house looks like the one from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.


Strangely enough, the house the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed in is now a high class restaurant.


All we have is the Lizzy Bordon bed and breakfeast.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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rifles were not good back then because they were unpredictable and could go off at any second


Which rifles and what 'back then' are you referring to? Were you referring to firearms used by samurai?


I would imagine the teppo after 1550 was reliable. I mean Oda waterproofed his before Nagashino with success. And It wasn't like every teppo malfunctioned after 1 use. But like every firearm it had a chance of jamming or misfiring. Ive seen it happen to a beretta 92f once.

Besides if it wasnt reliable why was it the main weapon of samurai near the end of the Sengoku era? and "at 317 years the teppo has the longest service time of all firearms"(Baker 2006)

<just supporting your question Evalerio>
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maikeruart, well said.

At 317 years, to put in perspective, it would be like the samurai using the same reliable firearm from a period spanning the Battle of the Boyne 1690 up to TODAY! (To be exact, up to July of last year. Just Kidding )

From the siege of Kajiki 1549 up to the Shimabarra Rebellion 1638 alone, the Japanese teppo had been in use longer than the rugged M-1 Garand and the nearly indestructible AK-47.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ive seen it happen to a beretta 92f once.


Lucky man.
One malfunction every 17,500 rounds. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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maikeruart wrote:
Ive seen it happen to a beretta 92f once.


Lucky man.
One malfunction every 17,500 rounds. Smile


Well it jammed, not misfired. I think he treated the gun like crap
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
maikeruart wrote:

Has anyone seen my twin brother, he went missing last night?

Maybe he will return if you do amends by editing the teppo article to inform the reader what "Bryant 2002" might refer to and what the Portuguese really gave the local lord.
It also might help if you did penance by changing the other occurrences of "rifle" or "rifles" in the Wiki to "matchlocks", "arquebus", "BB guns", or what ever non-rifle word is appropriate to the context.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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maikeruart wrote:

Has anyone seen my twin brother, he went missing last night?

Maybe he will return if you do amends by editing the teppo article to inform the reader what "Bryant 2002" might refer to and what the Portuguese really gave the local lord.
It also might help if you did penance by changing the other occurrences of "rifle" or "rifles" in the Wiki to "matchlocks", "arquebus", "BB guns", or what ever non-rifle word is appropriate to the context.


I did plan on making changes, problem is with limited time between classes I only have time for posting not editing. Besides i didnt like my twin anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Maikeruart, well said.

At 317 years, to put in perspective, it would be like the samurai using the same reliable firearm from a period spanning the Battle of the Boyne 1690 up to TODAY! (To be exact, up to July of last year. Just Kidding )

From the siege of Kajiki 1549 up to the Shimabarra Rebellion 1638 alone, the Japanese teppo had been in use longer than the rugged M-1 Garand and the nearly indestructible AK-47.


To use another interesting comparison, with the B-52's 50 year life span, it would be like a Sopwith Camel flying in Vietnam.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Tsubame1 wrote:
maikeruart wrote:
Ive seen it happen to a beretta 92f once.


Lucky man.
One malfunction every 17,500 rounds. Smile


Well it jammed, not misfired. I think he treated the gun like crap


That's pretty good. Was it a failure to feed or failure to extract? My Glock sometimes has the slide lock back with rounds still in the magazine.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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To use another interesting comparison, with the B-52's 50 year life span, it would be like a Sopwith Camel flying in Vietnam.


Yup. Heck, I still know folks who swear by their old Garand, or Colt M-1911.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think for longevity in modern firearms one would be hard pressed to beat the record of the SMLE 303 which is still being issued to some militia units within the Empire. That is if you can include it as a modern weapon. John
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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kendoka girl wrote:
To use another interesting comparison, with the B-52's 50 year life span, it would be like a Sopwith Camel flying in Vietnam.


Yup. Heck, I still know folks who swear by their old Garand, or Colt M-1911.


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Then there's the Russian T-34 tank, the earliest model predated WW 2 and is still in combat today. Watching the news, I've seen the T-34 in combat in Lebanon and Afghanistan.
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