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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Women's shame Reply with quote
Hey I was wondering something when I saw a movie on the 47 Ronin. In one part a woman who is surrounded by other women cuts her hair and it's a totally emotional thing. What was the symbolism of their hair being cut?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Usually, cutting one's hair is at least symbolic of taking Buddhist vows (for both men and women). Even if it isn't, it is a sign that something is wrong, because any woman of note would have grown her hair out (though later Edo styles had it arranged on top of the head, instead of just flowing out behind), just as men would have had expected hairstyles. So I'd guess she is making a sacrifice and possibly renouncing her caste or the world in general. Without knowing the scene in question, though, I'd be hard-pressed to say more.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok didn't know that. The movie I saw was "Swords of Vengeance." and I just wanted to know since it was something I didn't understand.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Usually, cutting one's hair is at least symbolic of taking Buddhist vows (for both men and women). Even if it isn't, it is a sign that something is wrong, because any woman of note would have grown her hair out (though later Edo styles had it arranged on top of the head, instead of just flowing out behind), just as men would have had expected hairstyles. So I'd guess she is making a sacrifice and possibly renouncing her caste or the world in general. Without knowing the scene in question, though, I'd be hard-pressed to say more.


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That's precisely it. Katsumoto's question was in relation to the cutting of Lady Asano's hair after her husband's seppuku.

It was fairly common for women of the upper echelons of the samurai class (i.e. those married to daimyo, chief retainers or the Shogun himself) to snip their hair, take their vows and take on a religious name upon the death of their spouse. Now, these women weren't always going off to live devout lives at temples, but the process of shortening one's hair and taking vows was common enough.[/list]
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Awesome, I never knew that since this is the first time watching real samurai movies. The only movie I had was The Last Samurai which was just an action movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hiro Katsumoto wrote:
The only movie I had was The Last Samurai
Hence your username. Wink Which also depicts your being a Heroes fan, I presume Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe a few episodes but not really.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Women's shame Reply with quote
Hiro Katsumoto wrote:
Hey I was wondering something when I saw a movie on the 47 Ronin. In one part a woman who is surrounded by other women cuts her hair and it's a totally emotional thing. What was the symbolism of their hair being cut?


I just saw that in the 1940's movie. Good question.
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