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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Does anyone know what this scene depicts? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The artist is Kuniyoshi Utagawa and is prior to 1840 if that helps~A
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The title is 高祖御一代略圖 -- Kôso goichidai ryakuzu ("Rough sketch of the founder of the dynasty first generation").

But beyond that... I got squat. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This print is part of a series usually called something like "Scenes from the Life of the Priest Nichiren" in English, and as the title suggests it depicts the various trials and tribulations of Nichiren's life as well as the miracles he was responsible for.

This print's title is 相州龍之口御難 (Soushuu Tatsunokuchi Go-nan), which works out to be something like "The Hardship at Tatsunokuchi, Soushuu." Soushuu is another name for Sagami, now part of Kanagawa prefecture.

In 1271 Nichiren (the kneeling priest in the print) was arrested for being critical of the Bakufu and other religious sects and taken to Tatsunokuchi, where he was to be executed. Just in the nick of time he was saved by divine intervention: a spherical light that shined like the moon floated past, terrifying his executioners. Some accounts also have the executioners' swords breaking magically, but that bit isn't mentioned in Nichiren's own account.

Incidentally, there's a temple at the site of this event, called Ryuukouji (龍口寺).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmm !Shocked Facinating! Thank you so much! I think I will keep this one.~A
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just in the nick of time he was saved by divine intervention: a spherical light that shined like the moon floated past, terrifying his executioners.


Nichiren saved by alien explorers !!! Shocked Very Happy Wink

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Hmm !Shocked Facinating!

Fascinating indeed, Captain ! Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nichiren saved by alien explorers !!!


I kinda like the idea that it was ball lightning, myself. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nichiren saved by alien explorers !!!


I kinda like the idea that it was ball lightning, myself. Wink


While it is always speculation in the absence of any evidence what unidentified celestial phenomena may have been it is certainly true that such things have been reported and even painted since man began scraping ash onto cave walls.

The condition to form ball lightning is very rare. When it does form, it is highly unstable and never lasts long.

On the other hand, Einstein's famous equation is a universal speed limit. That is, the closer you travel to light speed, the closer you get to an infinite amount of energy needed to get to the speed of light.

If you can put into scale our galaxy is the size of a city and our solar sysyem the size of a speck of dust; our light speed radio waves since we began broadcasting 60+/- years ago is not much bigger than a bubble the size of a marble around our dust speck. It seems unlikely that visitors would drop by for a day visit.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that these two possibilites merit further study and both subjects are facinating, I always watch the sky.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ashigaru wrote:
Akaguma wrote:
Nichiren saved by alien explorers !!!


I kinda like the idea that it was ball lightning, myself. Wink
I've always been of the inclination to think of the Tatsunokuchi fireball as perhaps a manifestation of the Taurid Meteor Shower, which is known to be an "elderly" variety. The older meteor showers often contain large chunks and fireballs as they break up. According to an article in Space.com, the Taurids show up around mid-October to mid-November. Would that date, when converted to the old calendar, coincide with Sept. 12? It seems pretty close. Or is this date (Sept. 12, 1271) already converted? I always get confused with this sort of thing. Not trying to turn this into an X-File or anything... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
onnamusha wrote:
Ashigaru wrote:
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Nichiren saved by alien explorers !!!


I kinda like the idea that it was ball lightning, myself. Wink
I've always been of the inclination to think of the Tatsunokuchi fireball as perhaps a manifestation of the Taurid Meteor Shower, which is known to be an "elderly" variety. The older meteor showers often contain large chunks and fireballs as they break up. According to an article in Space.com, the Taurids show up around mid-October to mid-November. Would that date, when converted to the old calendar, coincide with Sept. 12? It seems pretty close. Or is this date (Sept. 12, 1271) already converted? I always get confused with this sort of thing. Not trying to turn this into an X-File or anything... Laughing


Scully, that's rational and inspired!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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According to an article in Space.com, the Taurids show up around mid-October to mid-November. Would that date, when converted to the old calendar, coincide with Sept. 12? It seems pretty close. Or is this date (Sept. 12, 1271) already converted? I always get confused with this sort of thing. Not trying to turn this into an X-File or anything... Laughing

文永八年九月十二日(1271.9.12) = Oct. 17, 1271 http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/geschichte-japans/nengo_calc.htm
As to whether Sept 12 is already converted, people's not being clear on this matter is my pet peeve. Very Happy But according to the J-Wiki article, the event happened in the ninth month, so it is apparently not converted.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bethetsu wrote:
onnamusha wrote:
According to an article in Space.com, the Taurids show up around mid-October to mid-November. Would that date, when converted to the old calendar, coincide with Sept. 12? It seems pretty close. Or is this date (Sept. 12, 1271) already converted? I always get confused with this sort of thing. Not trying to turn this into an X-File or anything... Laughing

文永八年九月十二日(1271.9.12) = Oct. 17, 1271 http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/geschichte-japans/nengo_calc.htm
As to whether Sept 12 is already converted, people's not being clear on this matter is my pet peeve. Very Happy But according to the J-Wiki article, the event happened in the ninth month, so it is apparently not converted.


Wow, Bethetsu! Thanks! That's one of the most useful links I've had in a long time! bow As a relative newbie, I always have this free-floating uncertainty regarding dates, because of this necessary conversion. Most of the scholarly books make it clear what calendar they're using and why, but I do end up wondering when I consult online sources without the all-important introductory explanation.

And as far as Japanese X-Files go, Arthur, check out this Myspace page for a big long list: http://www.myspace.com/113338437 Of course, the type is terribly small and runs together with many various sightings included (it is in a column at the left side of the page); the sources aren't attributed or anything, but just the fact that someone took the time to catalog a bunch of UFO sightings in medieval Japan is interesting!

Oh yes, a last note on the Taurids: there is a less than one day per century drift of the time of this shower, so if I recall correctly, it would have occurred earlier in the year centuries ago than it does now, probably by about a week.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you very much for the site, Bethetsu-dono !
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It will be very useful for me too !!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have tried to be objectional about the subject . My own personal feeling are less than scientific Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks! That's one of the most useful links I've had in a long time!
I'm glad it is useful. There is more on the Japanese calendar in the article in the SA Wiki http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Japanese_calendar, including some extra information on using the Tübingen site.
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