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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Primary sources needed--Post-Boshin Reply with quote
To all Keepers of the Bakumatsu flame:

I'm hoping fervently that some well-read person here can help me identify the most reliable Japanese-language sources relating the details of Matsudaira Katamori's life AFTER the fall of Aizu.

Specifically, I'm looking for "the grim details" of:

Surrendering formally to Itagaki et. al.;

Trip from Myokokuji to Lord Tottori's in Edo; and what Buddhist sect was that temple?

Relationship with Tottori & his household and who accompanied;

Politics/machinations surrounding pardon by Meji;

Exile to Tonami--travel, political details, general nastiness of the life there;

Ordered to Tokyo 187l; made kazoku;

Details of possible assassination attempts by Sat-Cho in attempt to retreive Emperor Komei's letters
(mentioned in The Silver Drum by Princess Chichibu);

Appointment to Chief Priest of Nikko Toshogu Shrine, where he grew old together with his brother Sadaaki and his old karo, Saigo Tanomo.

Any details of Lord Katamori's personal and family life, writings, poetry, etc. throughout this period.
Relative influences of Shinto, Buddhism, Confucius?
It is said that along with the other 3 "Takasu Bros." he was influential later in Meiji, but it had to have been behind the scenes.

In other words, I need to start where virtually all the English sources leave off. If I only can get 1 or 2 Jp. books read for me, which ones have the most detail, or is there anything out there which is more than sketchy? Have Googled deeper than the Mariana Trench and there isn't much out there . . .
trying to stay "between the lines" writing a novel.

Any and all suggestions appreciated!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is a well-known somewhat popular series: XX no subete.

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著者名  :綱淵 謙錠/編
出版者  :新人物往来社  出版年:1984
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, Matsudaira Katamori no Subete seems to be the one most commonly cited in articles; a copy was listed on Amazon recently for $148.00, and while I was busy choking on the price someone else snatched it.

Anybody got it? Seen it in your library? Willing to read it and summarize some stuff for me? Got a copy you want to sell? Reply by PM! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I found it from a library catalog.

Try the Japanese Amazon http://www.amazon.co.jp.
When I searched on 松平容保 I got quite a few hits, including 2 8,000 2nd-hand copies of Matsudaira Katamori no Subete. If you are going to get it, you might want to look at some of the others also, some quite cheap (¥1) and a book of photos
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Many thanks!

Found it, along with a number of other goodies. I'm learning the fine points of navigation there with the aid of Google Translate, which isn't perfect but it helps. At least I got my account set up.

Have messaged seller trying to talk them into shipping M.K. no Subete internationally.

Gods, it's pathetic being illiterate! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doesn't primary source mean 古文書?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
shikisoku wrote:
Doesn't primary source mean 古文書?

Primary sources are much broader than just komonjo documents. Generally speaking, they are sources you cannot get behind. They include diaries and records and such (古記録), but also inscriptions and the works of ancient historians and authors. Most people would consider works like Shinchôkôki and Frois's History as primary sources, or close to primary sources.

komonjo【古文書】
過去の時代の史料となる古い文書。古文書学では差出人・受取人・用件・日付などを備えた公文書・私文書をいい、古記録と区別される。

こ‐きろく【古記録】
歴史研究の根本史料となる近代以前の記録。備忘のための公私の日記を主とし、別記・部類記などを含む。
[株式会社岩波書店 広辞苑第五版]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I didn't mean definition of the word.
My question was the Jinbutsuouraisha book can be a primary source?
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Surrendering formally to Itagaki et. al.;


This one?
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/mfc_fukushima/e/f3578720b34f847ff4d7fa928d80479c
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kido Takayoshi's diary has some descriptions about Aizu and Katamori.
http://rokuroku-be.blog.ocn.ne.jp/sloth/cat12122781/
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
本所蔵『大日本維新史料稿本』(維新史料編纂事務局編・約4200冊)所収の綱文データ(『維新史料綱要』として既刊・全10巻)を登録しています。
1994年度に完成しましたが、今後とも、関連して幕末維新期の政治史研究に必要な綱文データを追加していきます。
すでに、『復古記(ふっこき)』(既刊・全15巻)のデータが利用できます(検索画面の【区分】メニューで「01」の書目を選択してください)。
また、『維新史料綱要』の各綱文データごとに、『大日本維新史料稿本』のデジタル画像データにもリンクさせています。(閲覧用ヴューアーのプラグインが必要です。)

http://wwwap.hi.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ships/shipscontroller
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you for posting those links--quite interesting!
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