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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:26 pm    Post subject: Honorifics and names in the ancient times Reply with quote
I've read that the honorifics commonly used today, like chan, san, kun, and so forth are modern.

So back in the old days, like Muromachi or Edo era, was there ever an equivalent of those honorifics? You have dono and sama and no kimi for those with higher status, but what about the common folk? Do they just call each other by name without any honorifics attached?

And how do samurai usually call each other? Recently I watched the movies "Floating Castle" (Nobou no Shiro?) and "Kiyosu Conference". In Floating Castle, the people were calling each other by their titles, barring a few exceptions. Like, the guy they keep calling "Tanba" was called such because he's the lord of Tanba, not because it was his name.

In Kiyosu conference, Niwa Nagahide keeps on being addressed as "Goroza" and Hideyoshi as "Toukichirou". Those are not quite childhood names as far as I know, but it's not their formal names either.

Are these movies just taking artistic liberties or...?
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My understanding is that "-san" effectively comes from a corruption of "-sama"--over time the "ma" was just shortened to a simple, nasalized "n".

Modes of Address - SengokuDaimyo.com

This article is targeted at members of the SCA, but covers some of it.

I'm not sure about peasants and what they did. I would suspect that "-sama", at least, eventually was picked up by everybody, as I'm not sure that it carries the same weight that something like "-dono" does.

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