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Hosokawa Gracia
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Is this photo of Saigo and Katsu Kaishu new to you? Reply with quote
In September I heard a presentation by Leslie Helm regarding his book Yokohama Yankee. His great-grandfather, Julius Helm, who arrived in Japan in 1869, had a photo taken with Saigo Takamori, Katsu Kaishu, Oyama Iwao and others. Helm was instructing them in German gunnery. Have any of you seen this photo?

http://lesliehelm.com/images/

1874 Meiji 7 Men Rikugunsho

Standing second from the left is Saigo's cousin Oyama Iwao, and third from the left is Saigo Takamori.

Sitting second from the left is obviously Katsu Kaishu (Awa) next to the German man, Julius Helm.

I know Saigo was considered a large man, but so was Oyama, the future Minister of War.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not aware of any verified photos of Saigo - the most famous image of him is generally reckoned to be a put together job – so if this is actually him, I would think it is quite a find. However, I would like to see a larger version before making any judgement on it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Graculus wrote:
I'm not aware of any verified photos of Saigo - the most famous image of him is generally reckoned to be a put together job – so if this is actually him, I would think it is quite a find. However, I would like to see a larger version before making any judgement on it.[/url]



Since this photo belongs to the Helm family and has probably only appeared in Leslie's memoir Yokohama Yankee. It would not be well-known. Graculus, I will contact Leslie about the use of this photo. It appears in his book in one page and I have a scan of it, but I would encourage members to buy the book to see the original at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm adding another photo of Oyama Iwao before 1874. To show you a resemblance. He studied in France and also traveled to Holland and Germany.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Iwao_Oyama#mediaviewer/File:OyamaIwao3.jpg

The military jacket is almost the same as in the first photo.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hosokawa Gracia, thanks for sharing this link with SA members...

I think the publishing of the photo is a great find!!!

When the dust settles, may be considered one of the most important photographic images ever taken (that still exist) for the Meiji period.
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