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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: The Assassination of Sakamoto Ryoma Reply with quote
Pardon me for being a complete Bakumatsu newbie, but has it been conclusively proved that Nakaoka Shintaro and Sakamoto Ryoma were killed by the Shinsengumi? And if so, do we know which members did it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually Shinsengumi didn't kill Sakamoto.
The rumor "Sakamoto was killed by Shinsengumi" was spread by Goryou-eji which was the party aparted from Shinsengumi.
The leader of Goryou-eji Ito Kashitaro blamed the assassination on Harada Sanosuke of Shinsengumi.
Ito said the Saya left at the crime scene belonged to harada.
But in early Meiji, former Mimawarigumi member Imai Noburou revealed that Mimawarigumi killed Sakamoto.
That is the truth currently.

Some people say Satsuma did it because Sakamoto was not Toubaku.倒幕
Some people say Kishu-han did it because of the ship colision.(Their ship and Sakamoto's ship colieded earlier)

Sasaki Tadasaburo(Mimawarigumi)'s brother Teshirogi Naoemon testified right before his death, "Mimawarigumi assassinated Sakamoto, it was order from a feudal load"
Nobody knows who was the load.
Sankei Shimbun's article(2002 Oct 19) sais it might be Hikone-han.
http://www.geocities.jp/rekifan/news0210.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can I ask a question that shows my vast ignorance?

Who were the Mimawarigumi? What did they represent and why would they want to assassinate Sakamoto Ryoma?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wave Tossed wrote:
Can I ask a question that shows my vast ignorance?

Who were the Mimawarigumi? What did they represent and why would they want to assassinate Sakamoto Ryoma?


I know who the Shinsengumi were and that's about it!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mencius wrote:
Wave Tossed wrote:
Can I ask a question that shows my vast ignorance?

Who were the Mimawarigumi? What did they represent and why would they want to assassinate Sakamoto Ryoma?


I know who the Shinsengumi were and that's about it!
So I'm not the only vastly ignorant person here! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mimawarigumi was doing same jobs with Shinsengumi in Kyoto.
Shinsengumi was bunch of ronins, Mimawarigumi was Bakufu Samurais.
Many of them died in the battle of Toba-Fushimi.


Mimawarigumi:Sasaki Tadasaburo
http://www.dokidoki.ne.jp/home2/quwatoro/bakumatu3/tadasaburo.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
NHK had a program about this recently.
They took poll during the live program and more than 50% people chose "Satsuma assassinated Ryoma".
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