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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Byakko-tai Reply with quote
Why did the "Byakko-tai" choose such a name? The "White Tiger Corps" or "White Tiger Brigade"--what significance did this have?

Do historians know?
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Byakko-tai Reply with quote
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Why did the "Byakko-tai" choose such a name? The "White Tiger Corps" or "White Tiger Brigade"--what significance did this have?

Do historians know?


Byakko was one of the "shijin", maybe there is a connection there.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Right. I emailed Professor Farris (U of Hawaii, Manoa), as he's been of great help in emails in the past, and he gave me the low-down on the name "Byakko."

Now, I plan on continuing the correspondence, focusing on the "shijin" (四神).

As for the "Byakko-tai," he too wondered exactly why the group held the name. I think it's feasable for these men to have heard of Byakko, as they may or may not have had a Confucian background.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Right. I emailed Professor Farris (U of Hawaii, Manoa), as he's been of great help in emails in the past, and he gave me the low-down on the name "Byakko."

Now, I plan on continuing the correspondence, focusing on the "shijin" (四神).

As for the "Byakko-tai," he too wondered exactly why the group held the name. I think it's feasable for these men to have heard of Byakko, as they may or may not have had a Confucian background.


Tell him he needs to release another book, and SOON. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't worry about it!

He informs me his next book is on its way. It's already been sent off to the publishers and is coming any week now.

It's about population and society from around end of Heian to Kamakura times (up to 1600).

I am very excited about it, from what he has told me about it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was in Aizu last year and got to visit the castle and various Byakko-tai-related sites. The name *is* related to the Shijin. There were troops named after the Suzaku, Seiryuu, and Genbu as well, but the Byakko-tai is most famous because of their tragic sacrifice despite their young age (the other three tai were composed of adults, but the Byakko-tai was reserved for the young samurai-in-training).
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you have any more information on *why* they choose "Byakko"?

Any books with citations?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can't provide anything more specific, sorry. All I picked up was from museum placards and conversations with staff. Bakumatsu is not my area.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nagaeyari wrote:
Do you have any more information on *why* they choose "Byakko"?

Any books with citations?

Thanks!


How about "Kyoto Shugoshoku Shimatsu" 京都守護職始末
The book was written by former Aizu-han Karo Yamakawa Hiroshi,published in late Meiji.
http://www.bakumatsu.net/archives/2005/05/post_11.html

I believe you can read the book at government site.


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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nagaeyari wrote:
Do you have any more information on *why* they choose "Byakko"?

Any books with citations?

Thanks!


Bakumatsu is not my thing Confused but I thought I'd learn something new today so googled this. The first site that came up was http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~byakko/ According to this site, Aizu-han created 4 "divisions" based on age, each named after one of the Shijin 四神. So there was the Genbu-tai, the Seiryuu-tai, the Suzaku-tai, and the Byakko-tai.

Unfortunately the site doesn't say why they chose the Shijin as the naming device.

Hope this helps a little - the explanation seems plausible but again this is just a simple Google search so hopefully someone with a bit more expertise can jump in and help.

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oyakata wrote:
nagaeyari wrote:
Do you have any more information on *why* they choose "Byakko"?

Any books with citations?

Thanks!


Bakumatsu is not my thing Confused but I thought I'd learn something new today so googled this. The first site that came up was http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~byakko/ According to this site, Aizu-han created 4 "divisions" based on age, each named after one of the Shijin 四神. So there was the Genbu-tai, the Seiryuu-tai, the Suzaku-tai, and the Byakko-tai.

Unfortunately the site doesn't say why they chose the Shijin as the naming device.

Hope this helps a little - the explanation seems plausible but again this is just a simple Google search so hopefully someone with a bit more expertise can jump in and help.

Oyakata


Well, the Shijin were "guardians of the compass", so each one corresponded with a direction, could it have had something to do with where in the area each group was founded or based (n, s, e, w)?
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