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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Was Saito Hajime a spy from Aizu? Reply with quote
Some researchers believe Saito was Kakushi Metsuke(Undercover) from Aizu han.
What do you think?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting theory, but why do some researches suspect this? It is clear that Saito was Kondo's spy in the whole Ito affair, but what is the basis for thinking that he was a spy for Aizu? What would their motive be for planting a spy within the Shinsengumi? These guys were proponents of Joi, but not Sonno, and the loyalty of Kondo and Hijikata was never in doubt, to the best of my knowledge.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Saito Reply with quote
Its interesting that Saito led the Aizu Shinsengumi in Sept 68 because Hijikata was incapacitated from his foot wound ,But more interesting is supposedly words were exchanged between Saito and Otori Keisuke because Otori took most of the Aizu Samurai to Sendai leaving Aizu vunerable.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Their theories are

1. The timing of joining the (Mibu) Roshigumi.
2. Sending Saito to the Goryo Eji as a apy was because Kondo and Hijikata knew that he was Kakushi Mestuke from Aizu.
3. He even lived in Tonami after the Boshin war.
4. Paricipation of the Sainan war as a Fukushima Shizoku.

*Tonami is current northern Aomori prefecture. the area is known for the severe climate. Aizu samurai and family were (I'd say)expeled to Tobami after the Boshin war.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know this was a *trust nobody* time period, but again, what benefit would Aizu have gotten from spying on the Shinsengumi? I don't think Kondo or Hijikata's loyalties were ever in doubt, although Kondo's behavior became extremely autocratic as time went on. Perhaps Matsudaira Katamori wanted inside info on group morale, etc., but again, I don't see a clear merit in planting an Aizu man deep undercover inside the Shinsengumi. After all, both the Gumi and Aizu han were on the same side.

Shikisoku-san, what do you actually think? Was Saito an Aizu spy or not?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think he was.
But I am interested in his timing of joining the Roshigumi.
Still there is no clear answer.
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