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Obenjo Kusanosuke
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Hideyoshi's Deer Antler Kabuto Reply with quote

All--I just posted this shot on the SA Wiki. I took the picture of this kabuto while drinking tea at Koudaiji temple in July 2003. I really don't know much about this helmet, so if anyone wants to go on the wiki and add someting, by all means, please do so. The link is http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Image:Hideyoshi_Kabuto.jpg

Thanks, Obenjo
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You know, if every kabuto and armour in temples and shrines that *say* "worn by Nobunaga/Hideyoshi" were really worn by them, very few OTHER people would have had access to armour.

I don't know of the documentation or provenance of the helmet, but unless it's displayed next to a contemporary portrait of Hideyoshi wearing it, or there's a document cataloguing it among his possessions....


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tony,

You have a good point, and it is taken. However, in my heart of hearts, I still want to believe it is the real deal because the Koudaiji had a very close affiliation with the Toyotomi family. They have a nice collection of items that belonged to Hideyoshi and Nene. Without going back there and asking to see a gift or item donation log, would there be an alternative way to verify if Hideyoshi did indeed have such a helmet?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm pretty sure a lot of Daimyo (especially country leaders like Hideyoshi) had a few spare armors. He most likely owned it, but never worn in Battlefield.
It's like the crazy long kabuto of Ieyasu...not very battle-handy.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeh thats a nice looking helmet..but dosent look as good as honda tadakatsu's antler helmet thats just pure coolness...and anyways correct me if im wrong but hideyoshi's helmet had the big spike things going into the air yeh...i dont know the name for them but that was his helmet that he wore going into battle...i think
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ichimoto wrote:
yeh thats a nice looking helmet..but dosent look as good as honda tadakatsu's antler helmet thats just pure coolness...and anyways correct me if im wrong but hideyoshi's helmet had the big spike things going into the air yeh...i dont know the name for them but that was his helmet that he wore going into battle...i think


Most samurai had more than one, including Honda Tadakatsu.

Below are all attributed to Toyotomi Hideyoshi:
A copy as the original is said to be lost:

Several of these were made, worn by Hideyoshi and his 'decoys' Kagemusha:






Armour on the right worn by Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi wears this in the series 'Komyo ga Tsuji'.

Hideyoshi would later give this armour to Date Masamune.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



ahhh yeh thats the one i was on about cool
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