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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:00 am    Post subject: II-2. What were the reasons for Ito's succesion... Reply with quote
Ito Kashitaro was a staunch believer in giving authority back to the Emperor and much of his time in the Shinsengumi was used to bring many of the members around to his way of thinking. In fact, he spent two months of his time in the Shinsengumi in Choshu cultivating relations with the Loyalists there. By late 1866, Ito decided that the Choshu forces had made enough gains nationally and locally (partcularly after defeating a Bakufu force sent west to pacify them) to make it worth his while to join with them. Ito informed Kondo of his decision to 'secede' (not quit, as that carried the penalty of suicide) from the Shinsengumi and take 12 men with him (including Todo, one of the original members). He told Kondo that he was doing so in order to spy on the forces of Choshu and Satsuma by pretending to ally with them-when in fact, his purpose was to actaully BE allies with them in installing the Emperor as actual ruler. The group set up shop as the Guard For Emperor Komei's Tomb and became known as the 'Kodai-ji Faction' after the name of the temple they were billeted at.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tatsunoshi-san,
I think you nailed this one. Good answer! However, I think Shikisoku was also considering answering this one. Shikisoku-san, anything you want to add?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The group set up shop as the Guard For Emperor Komei's Tomb and became known as the 'Kodai-ji Faction' after the name of the temple they were billeted at.


Kodaiji Faction (Kodaiji-To) was a nickname.
They were officially Kinri Goryo Eji.


By the way, why did Ito refuse Ibaraki Tsukasa to join the Goryo Eji?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
shikisoku wrote:
By the way, why did Ito refuse Ibaraki Tsukasa to join the Goryo Eji?


Tough question, Shikisoku! After Ito's group split from the Shinsengumi, my understanding is that Ito and Kondo came to an agreement that they both groups would not accept defections from the other. As Ibaraki was a Shinsengumi member (rank of Inspector), he was thus not allowed to join the Goryo Eji outright. Ito advised him and a group of 9 others to seek permission from Matsudaira Katamori first. If Katamori sanctioned it, then it would be ok. Needless to say, approval from the Lord of Aizu never came. Instead, fellow Shinsengumi members showed up at the Aizu residence and either killed (or forced seppuku four of these 10 members. Ibaraki was among these four. The other six Shinsengumi members were expelled.

Is this correct? It is not so easy to find info about Ibaraki Tsukasa in English on the Web and he isn't listed in Hillsborough's book.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, that's what generally told.
Some researchers say Ibaraki remained the Shinsengumi as a spy for Ito.
But no solid evidence.
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