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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In all seriousness, I wouldn't know what to suggest to you in terms of Japanese sources as I can't read Japanese all that well. I have read in Marius Jansen's book,"Sakamoto Ryoma and the Meiji Restoration" about a famous historian from Kochi, Hirao Michio, who wrote a lot about Ryoma. You may want to try his "Ryoma no Subete". Also, take a look at "Sakamoto Ryoma Zenshu" by Miyaji Sachiro. Also, I think that Jansen's book has been translated into Japanese.

For historical fiction, read Romulus Hillsborough's "RYOMA: A Renaissance Samurai". It's like reading Shiba or Yoshikawa.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote:
I have read in Marius Jansen's book,"Sakamoto Ryoma and the Meiji Restoration" about a famous historian from Kochi, Hirao Michio, who wrote a lot about Ryoma.


Hirao Michio wrote a few definitive books on various subjects - I have one of his books right here on Chosokabe Motochika.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yup, Hirao is pretty much the go-to-guy on anything related to the history of Tosa. I just wish I could read Japanese at a level beyond those history manga's for kids!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ARGH! Why did I study German in grad school when I had the chance to study Japanese! Baka! Baka! Baka! Scheiss!
Was war den loss mit mein Kopf? Ich war ein gross Idiot! (immer noch!) Ah, was kann Ich tun? Genug auf Deutsch! Ich muss mehr Japanisch lernen!


Let me tell you a secret -- come over here... closer... hey, guess what... YOU LIVE IN JAPAN!

You're drowning in an ocean of Japanese speakers. Heck, you're married to one! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You're drowning in an ocean of Japanese speakers. Heck, you're married to one! Laughing


Yet again, the live-in tutor... Rolling Eyes

At least I can study Japanese WITH my wife (when she's not chasing the kid). I can't LEARN it from her, but...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Let me tell you a secret -- come over here... closer... hey, guess what... YOU LIVE IN JAPAN!

You're drowning in an ocean of Japanese speakers. Heck, you're married to one! Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote:
Yup, Hirao is pretty much the go-to-guy on anything related to the history of Tosa. I just wish I could read Japanese at a level beyond those history manga's for kids!
Your Japanese reading abilities far exceed mine. Just Kidding
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Myself, I studied French. They didn't offer Japanese at my school. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anyone else want to sign up? If you don't sign up here, I'll remove you from the current group list if you don't want to continue with Ryoma, or if you haven't signed up, you won't be added. Post here.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I guess since I did one side I will do the other, and mid terms are over, so am not as busy as I was. Sign me up kiddo.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is it too late??

I would LOVE to be a part of this having studied Ryoma for well over 10 years...
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Sign me up!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Is it too late??

I would LOVE to be a part of this having studied Ryoma for well over 10 years...
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Sign me up!!


That ended 7 months ago - but see Joining the Private Discussion Group for other discussions.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought it might have. Thank you for the invitation. I will follow up there.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Welcome - that sounds like a great project. Are you doing the translations yourself?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Heron for the kind note.

This is an incredible site and I'm frankly suprised I didn't know about it sooner. I really commend you guys for putting together such a great place.

I'm doing as much of the translation as I can. I have a great deal of difficulty with the original manuscript but once transmitted into standard [modern] Japanese its not too much a problem. Though I do check my notes periodically.

The difficulty currently is that there are so many manuscripts (well over 120 of his writings) and they are all over the place that collecting them is really the first challenge.

But its great. I often tour guide for free for Japanese people at Ryozen kannon (Sakamoto sensei's burial place in Kyoto). Its an honor and its been my dream for a long time.

The bills for the legal side of things (making sure copyrights are not being infringed and such) has been eye opening as well as the sheer collection of documentation I'm trying to put together.

But it will be, I think, one of the highlights of my life when all is said and done.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sounds cool. Just let us know if you need any help with anything. There are a at least five (?) of us who do know a few things about the Bakumatsu and can write about it without getting facts confused with Shinsengumi anime. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Obenjo. Actually that is very kind of you...

I can certainly foresee bouncing some ideas off you guys in the near future.

The creation of the Kaientai is quite complex with regards to how it became Mitsubishi. Its not related directly with the work I'm doing, but still if anyone has some time, I'd love to read about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dash101 wrote:
Thank you Obenjo. Actually that is very kind of you...

I can certainly foresee bouncing some ideas off you guys in the near future.

The creation of the Kaientai is quite complex with regards to how it became Mitsubishi. Its not related directly with the work I'm doing, but still if anyone has some time, I'd love to read about it.


By the way, you can find the posts and threads from the Sakamoto Ryoma discussion scattered about in the "Bakumatsu" forum. Feel free to post any replies to them - we can always continue the discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the heads up! I can see I'm going to spending far too much time here Cool
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