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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: High quality replica armour? Reply with quote
I have neither the cash nor the time required to maintain an antique, but I've been thinking of buying a replica kabuto. I'm after something as close to authentic as is possible however, and I've stumbled across this place: http://www.samurai-store.com/

They are manufactured by Marutake Sangyo in Kagoshima, who seem to specialise in making armour for various movies and TV shows. I'll happily admit that I don't know a lot about armour, but these look quite good to me. Any of you experts have any comments on these armours?

The one in particular that I'm interest in is: http://www.samurai-store.com/armor/H15-7.html

Though I have to admit that this one looks really good too: http://www.samurai-store.com/armor/H15-8.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those look really hot. I know where my 2008 Tax refund is going.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice gendai, but I wouldn't pay $1700/2000 for a replica kubuto. For $500 or $700 more you could have got the entire yoroi below from a respected seller. Recommendation: Save your money and continue to search. There are beautiful armor to be had for much much cheaper.

This gusoku sold for $2550, but it gives you an idea of the relative market value of complete gendai armor.
http://www.toraba.com/rgusoku-0612-0216.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It greatly depends on *what* you want and what your intended usage is. Do you plan to wear it? Is it a mantle ornament? You can get decent Edo era kabuto for a reasonable price, but you probably wouldn't want to wear it

Marutake-san makes some nice stuff for dress reproduction (the one you linked to is hideous). Good lines and fewer geegaws are what *I* prefer.

Kinokuniya Katchu has this 62 plate Edo piece for 380,000 yen. Good lines, the egawa looks to be in good shape,just odd enough to be collectable.
http://www.kinokuniya.tv/kabuto/img/b3_1.jpg
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.toraba.com/gusoku-0609-3882.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.J.Peters wrote:
It greatly depends on *what* you want and what your intended usage is. Do you plan to wear it? Is it a mantle ornament? You can get decent Edo era kabuto for a reasonable price, but you probably wouldn't want to wear it


Most definitely NOT to wear (I'm no modern Sammyurai), purely for display. Regardless of pricing, I'd prefer a replica to an Edo-period antique piece.

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Marutake-san makes some nice stuff for dress reproduction (the one you linked to is hideous). Good lines and fewer geegaws are what *I* prefer.


What is it exactly that makes this reproduction "hideous"? Is it technically incorrect in someway? All I'm interested in is a display piece that is manufactured as close as possible to an original piece.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is the equivalent of a plaid polyester suit. It also incorporates all sorts of things that don't belong on an armour of that period. It's a Frankensteinarmour.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Am I looking at the right links? It's just the helmets that I'm seeing in Angus's links H15-7 and H15-8 are just kabuto. I'm not sure I understand how you guys can say it's Frankensteinarmor (that was nice, though, nice one) just based on the kabuto. Can you explain? I'm not challenging you guys, just really curious. Since they're reproductions anyway, I'm just not tracking how they're "wrong for the period". Did I miss what period they said they were supposed to be? As far as I know, the "Ichinotani" in the -8 link refers to the style of kabuto (the wave-looking thing), not that it was actually supposed to be like something worn by someone actually at the battle. Not sure about the other one, but again, just curious as to what you mean.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pssst. The link is the Toraba one. It even has a big picture of the armour below the link. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Pssst. The link is the Toraba one. It even has a big picture of the armour below the link. Wink


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That's the reason why I'm not interested in Edo period armour - they are far too garish, even to my untrained eye. In my mind at least, both Edo-period armour (well, the majority of it at least) and modern replica armour are replicas and have seen about as much time in battle as each other (ie. none), so I'd rather a nice modern replica than a dusty old mish-mash piece. I have more faith that a well-made replica will stay truer to the 12th-16th-century source than an Edo-period piece. Plus it will look nicer in my lounge room. Wink

What's your opinion on the kabuto in my post Tony? Does anything jump out at you as unauthentic?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AJBryant wrote:
Pssst. The link is the Toraba one. It even has a big picture of the armour below the link. Wink


I wondered about that, but MJ Peters replied:

MJ Peters wrote:
Marutake-san makes some nice stuff for dress reproduction (the one you linked to is hideous). Good lines and fewer geegaws are what *I* prefer.


in response to Angus--or at least that's what it appeared to be, since Angus was a. the originator of the thread, and b. the one who mentioned Marutake.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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in response to Angus--or at least that's what it appeared to be, since Angus was a. the originator of the thread, and b. the one who mentioned Marutake.


Aye, I took M.J. Peters response to mean that the link *I* posted was hideous. Not sure if that was what he intended.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Greetings all,

I find this one to be very interesting. It would make a great motorcycle helmet design:

http://www.toraba.com/kab-0510-4664.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Greetings all,

I find this one to be very interesting. It would make a great motorcycle helmet design:

http://www.toraba.com/kab-0510-4664.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tsubame1,

Does that mean you like it or that you are frightened by my idea?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually I was refering to the ones Angus posted. The horns and the dragon obscure the lines of the helmet. Assuming a kamakura design, the fukigaeshi are too flared (and a hair too big). The bowl *looks* sengoku in design, which means the shikoro doesn't match anyway.

The edo piece at Toraba is typical of mid to late edo when parts from all previous times were throw into suits. Now this *can* equal a beautiful piece ( I have lots of pics of just such a mixture in the Yamamouchi Pharmaceuticals meeting room. The craftsmanship is fabulous, but it clearly marks it as a non-battle era harness).
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