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| I am considering running a discussion group on 15th century politics, since I'm finding this whole Kubo/Kanrei/Shogun mess pretty interesting - anyone else interested in doing this? |
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Sounds interesting. I'd be willing to participate, if I can take the time (not entirely sure what kind of time commitment is involved).
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I'm certainly in for participation, as much as I can.
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| While the subject is interesting, how much material is easily accessible? I've been doing what I can to help out with the kanrei/kubo/shugo/jito topic, but finding enough material in English on has proven a bit difficult. I mean, a few of you who have access to Japanese-language sources may be able to get on ok with this topic as a viable study group, but I think it would be a pretty small group. Anyway, that is just my thinking for what it's worth. |
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| Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote: |
| While the subject is interesting, how much material is easily accessible? I've been doing what I can to help out with the kanrei/kubo/shugo/jito topic, but finding enough material in English on has proven a bit difficult. I mean, a few of you who have access to Japanese-language sources may be able to get on ok with this topic as a viable study group, but I think it would be a pretty small group. Anyway, that is just my thinking for what it's worth. |
I'd be in. |
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote: |
| While the subject is interesting, how much material is easily accessible? I've been doing what I can to help out with the kanrei/kubo/shugo/jito topic, but finding enough material in English on has proven a bit difficult. I mean, a few of you who have access to Japanese-language sources may be able to get on ok with this topic as a viable study group, but I think it would be a pretty small group. Anyway, that is just my thinking for what it's worth. |
Warrior rule in Japan, and Sansom's first or second volume, I can get some articles as well. I'm sure there are more, I'm just not really up to date in English language scholarship - maybe Berry's "Culture of Civil War in Kyoto" as well. |
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| kitsuno wrote: |
| Warrior rule in Japan, and Sansom's first or second volume, I can get some articles as well. I'm sure there are more, I'm just not really up to date in English language scholarship - maybe Berry's "Culture of Civil War in Kyoto" as well. |
Varley's "The Onin War" would be useful as well, as it explains all the background, of which this is a part.
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The whole kanrei/kubo discussion has been way over my head, but I'd be interested in participating now that you guys are taking a break from the Bakumatsu stuff.
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| Varley's "The Onin War" would be useful as well, as it explains all the background, of which this is a part. |
Available for the low, low price of *$72.50* from Amazon. 
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Available for the low, low price of *$72.50* from Amazon. |
It's worth it - it has translations and is a combo narrative/military history. I bought it for $40 years ago, but of course I don't have it here. |
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Yeah, I'd buy it as well. They've got a copy here at the library on post. Great book.
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: Japan in the Muromachi Age |
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Japan in the Muromachi Age is possibly of interest. Edited by John Hall, it contains a number of essays on Muromachi Japan--I seem to recall it has something on the Kubo/Kanrei stuff if I can dig it out. I remember there was one essay talking about the change in the cities and village structures. I think another talked about the general hierarchy. I'll have to look it up again and see what I can find.
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kitsuno,
That would be worth a shot.
If we wind up with a month with nothing to do I could run a cinema compare/contrast like I IM'd you about a little while ago.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Japan in the Muromachi Age |
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| JLBadgley wrote: |
Japan in the Muromachi Age is possibly of interest. Edited by John Hall, it contains a number of essays on Muromachi Japan--I seem to recall it has something on the Kubo/Kanrei stuff if I can dig it out. I remember there was one essay talking about the change in the cities and village structures. I think another talked about the general hierarchy. I'll have to look it up again and see what I can find.
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I saw this book at the library and was wondering if anyone has read this and what their opinion of this book is? It looks interesting.
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I have it. It is a good book for info on political and social structure of the period. John
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| I have it. It is a good book for info on political and social structure of the period. John |
Thank you. I'll probably pick it up. I am finishing Varley's Onin War and I just picked up The Culture of Civil War in Kyoto by Mary Elizabeth Berry. Looking forward to it.
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| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
| The Culture of Civil War in Kyoto by Mary Elizabeth Berry. Looking forward to it. |
Much like anything else that Berry does, that is a great book! I really enjoyed reading it. I also should tie in well with Varley's book.
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| The Culture of Civil War in Kyoto by Mary Elizabeth Berry. Looking forward to it. |
Much like anything else that Berry does, that is a great book! I really enjoyed reading it. I also should tie in well with Varley's book. |
So far it does tie in well. I recommend reading Varley first and then reading Berry. Berry's brief explanation in the 1st chapter of some of the succession disputes is much easier to follow since I read Varley's Onin War first.
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| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
| leakbrewergator wrote: |
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| The Culture of Civil War in Kyoto by Mary Elizabeth Berry. Looking forward to it. |
Much like anything else that Berry does, that is a great book! I really enjoyed reading it. I also should tie in well with Varley's book. |
So far it does tie in well. I recommend reading Varley first and then reading Berry. Berry's brief explanation in the 1st chapter of some of the succession disputes is much easier to follow since I read Varley's Onin War first. |
Yeah, I'm doing it backwards. Unfortunately, I never really had an interest in the Onin War until I read Berry's book.
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