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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Help Identifying Smith Reply with quote
Hello all, sorry to bother you with this, but i've recently acquired a sword and have taken the handle off to see who the Smith was, or even if it was signed. It was and i'm completely illiterate in Japanese, but could someone who reads japanese be able to tell me his name? I took a picture of the sword and this is the best picture i have of it.

http://www.mypicshare.com/xdwefberpic.html
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm a rank beginner at sword stuff. There are much more knowledgeable people here than me. But I have to say that I am bothered by this sword already.

Just at first glance (you're picture is upside down by the way), the tang does not look right. Is this the complete tang? Where is the holding pin hole? Is there more tang? What was holding the handle on the tang?

Besides all that, the rusting does not look right. Detailed pictures can be tough to take, but I'm pretty confident this cannot be an old sword. I've even seen some newer swords that have started to rust at the tang and don't have this very red very consistently mottled rust pattern. In addition to that I can't see any file marks. Is it the picture quality or is this tang completely smooth except for the signature?

As for the signature... The first two appear to be the hiragana for i and o. I can't figure out the third character. The closest I can figure out is 代 dai/tai (yori/nori in names). Ionori? But why is there kana used in the name? Something just looks odd about the signature, too. I don't have the practice to identify what looks odd, but something does.

Finally, and this may have nothing to do with the signature or the authenticity, but I'm very intrigued by the numbers 9826 painted on the tang.

Were you told anything about the history of this sword? What is the length? What kind of fittings does it have? Do you have more pictures?

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please, More pics of this sword including the cutting edge. All of it really. John
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: About the sword Reply with quote
Its not the whole picture, first time photographing something like that and i guess i didn't do to well Sad . But anyhow its not the whole tang, i just wanted pictures of the characters, i can post some more of the sword if you want. The tang is pretty much smooth, i mean its rough due to rust but i dont think its filed, but i have no knowledge of swords. All i was told is that a mans nephew came in and sold his uncles swords he acquired during the war. maybe the number is the number it was in production? Here are some more pictures

The whole Tang :http://www.mypicshare.com/jvsmpoknpic.html

Sword : http://www.mypicshare.com/zruinxwspic.html
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i guess i could take some more of any part you want, just let me know what parts, i have my camera next to me so its not a trouble
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Michael, you may already know this, but you have a classic style Type 98 army officer shin-gunto. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to identify the signature, but the folks over on the nihonto message board http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/ should be able to assist you.

Here are also several other links on shin-guntos.
http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/military.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/gendai2.htm
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_002.htm

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks man, i appreciate the info and the links Very Happy Take it easy and let me know if i can ever repay ya
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cool. I've never really looked at war swords before. Thanks for the info Ranger.

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