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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Best Yakuza Movies Reply with quote
Everyone post your favorite Yakuza movies here - throw in your reasoning if you like. I'd like to build up a list of "must sees", although I've seen a lot Just Kidding

My favorites, in no particular order:

    Street Mobster - so cool it could have been made last year rather than the 70s
    Yakuza Demon - a mini epic
    Shin Jingi no Hakaba (Miike) - the most brutal Yakuza movie I've seen
    Gozu - a brilliant black comedy of strangeness
    Brother (Kitano) - the suits are too cool to ignore
    Dead or Alive - the over-the-top violence and action put this movie in my list
    Shin Jingi Naki Tatakai - only because of the excellent soundtrack


I know there are a lot of "new" ones (in fact mostly new ones, and I'm sure it isn't PC to like the more "modern" Yakuza movies, but they are good movies, what can I say?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Battles Without Honor or Humanity" -- the granddaddy of 'em all, and still the best.

I watched 15 minutes of Gozu before I pulled it out of the player and sent it back to Netflix. Sorry, man, but I thought it was a steaming pile of self-indulgent stupidity on the part of a director with too much "name" and not enough real talent. Sort of like what would happen if someone were to let Stephen King publish his first drafts.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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"Battles Without Honor or Humanity" -- the granddaddy of 'em all, and still the best.

I watched 15 minutes of Gozu before I pulled it out of the player and sent it back to Netflix. Sorry, man, but I thought it was a steaming pile of self-indulgent stupidity on the part of a director with too much "name" and not enough real talent. Sort of like what would happen if someone were to let Stephen King publish his first drafts.


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I've never seen the original "battles" - I assume it must be "Jingi Naki Tatakai"? If so, I've only seen the new one. Kick ass soundtrack, but weak movie. that Hotei guy did the music, it was great, very Tarantinoesque.

As for Gozu, you must not be a David Lynch fan Just Kidding After the first 25 minutes, the movie stopped making much sense, but it captured that "Lynchian" quality. David Lynch is one of my favorite directors, and I think Miike nailed the Lynch genre, which usually stops making any sense early on - the problem is that he only got the surface. Pick up "Mullholand Drive" or "Eraserhead" and you'll see what I mean. The main problem is that unlike Lynch, who actually has meaning and a reason in his movies, even if it isn't at all apparent, Miike didn't really have any point with Gozu except to imitate Lynch. So I think he got the imitation down, but was missing that Lych quality - the feeling that the story makes sense if you could just put all the pieces together. Anyway, that is one of my favorites because of the first 20 minutes or so. After that, it just decends into Lynchian wierdness but with no point to it. So I guess you are right, but I just can't ignore those first 15 or 20 minutes, particularly the scene in the cafe, or the concept of losing a corpse and wandering around in the strangeness of Nagoya or wherever it was to find it. It did take me three days to watch it, it isn't the sort of movie that screams to be watched in one sitting. It's like a boring movie that doesn't make a lot of sense with random funny scenes mixed in. So, after my own examination, you're probably completely on target. But I still appreciate it. Even though I doubt I'll watch it again Laughing

And, while we're on the subject, Stephen King is a really bad writer. I mean, I've loved some of his books, and read most of his books, but as far as writers go, he has yet to write a novel with a slam dunk ending. Every book I've read, even the ones I've loved (like "Wizard and Glass", and "The Stand") just fall flat at the end. 100 years from now, the only people who read Stephen King will be people who want to see the idiocyncracies of late 20th century America - they are very fixed in the time and place that each are written, and don't stand up well to time. For example, "Cujo" has some pop culture references that anyone born after 1980 would be left scratching thier head with.

Heh, I just got off graveyard shift and am apparently half asleep, I barely remember writing any of the above Crazy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I've never seen the original "battles" - I assume it must be "Jingi Naki Tatakai"?


I believe so. Made in the early sixties, IIRC. There was a whole series with the same continuing charas.

You've just pegged why I *do* like Lynch and why Miike annoyed the crap out of me. Smile

Gotta go grab a slice of apple pie and a cup of Joe.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I've never seen the original "battles" - I assume it must be "Jingi Naki Tatakai"?


I believe so. Made in the early sixties, IIRC. There was a whole series with the same continuing charas.

You've just pegged why I *do* like Lynch and why Miike annoyed the crap out of me. Smile

Gotta go grab a slice of apple pie and a cup of Joe.

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Yeah, you got me. I just appreciated Miike's effort, even though he didn't actually pull it off.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My favorite yakuza films are from the Zatoichi series, but I get the impression that's not what you're looking for. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, "modern" (post WWII era) movies. Are Tony and I the only ones who actually watch them?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Yakuza Reply with quote
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Well, "modern" (post WWII era) movies. Are Tony and I the only ones who actually watch them?


The only ones I've seen are the film that came packaged with the new Zatoichi (Sonatine?), and that classic 'Troublemaker Madame Is Head Of Yakuza' (which I had to buy with 'OL Gambling' to get 'Schoolgirl Ninja').
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Yakuza Reply with quote
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kitsuno wrote:
Well, "modern" (post WWII era) movies. Are Tony and I the only ones who actually watch them?


The only ones I've seen are the film that came packaged with the new Zatoichi (Sonatine?), and that classic 'Troublemaker Madame Is Head Of Yakuza' (which I had to buy with 'OL Gambling' to get 'Schoolgirl Ninja').


OL gambling? Schoolgirl Ninja? Sounds a little shady Just Kidding Although anything is better than the various "Zero Woman" movies.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't forget classics like "Ocho."


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Yakuza Reply with quote
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OL gambling? Schoolgirl Ninja? Sounds a little shady Just Kidding Although anything is better than the various "Zero Woman" movies.


Basically, Schoolgirl Ninja has a (what else) schoolgirl who is the reincarnation of a sengoku era ninja. Her evil enemies from the Sengoku come to the present to recover a mystical artifact. Her 'ninja self' manifests and she trashes the bad guys after being forced to run around in her underwear for several scenes. Amusing fun, and could have been a made for TV movie except for one explicit consensual sex scene. Pretty sure it was direct-to-video fare.
OL Gambling and Troublemaker Madame were made by the same outfit as well. The sweet housewifes and mothers do these awful things to protect the local people, raise money for an orphanage, etc, while all the time hiding their activities from their idiot husbands. Again, amusing PG fun, although one scene shows a women at the orphanage get brutally gang raped and then staggering through the middle of town where no one stops to help. I guess even the direct to vid stuff has to have one out of place scene to please the R-rated crowd.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Best Yakuza Movies Reply with quote
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Everyone post your favorite Yakuza movies here - throw in your reasoning if you like. I'd like to build up a list of "must sees", although I've seen a lot Just Kidding

My favorites, in no particular order:

    Street Mobster - so cool it could have been made last year rather than the 70s
    Yakuza Demon - a mini epic
    Shin Jingi no Hakaba (Miike) - the most brutal Yakuza movie I've seen
    Gozu - a brilliant black comedy of strangeness
    Brother (Kitano) - the suits are too cool to ignore
    Dead or Alive - the over-the-top violence and action put this movie in my list
    Shin Jingi Naki Tatakai - only because of the excellent soundtrack


I know there are a lot of "new" ones (in fact mostly new ones, and I'm sure it isn't PC to like the more "modern" Yakuza movies, but they are good movies, what can I say?


Blasfemy !!
You omitted "Yakuza" by Sydney Pollack with Robert Mitchum and Takakura Ken ! Shocked
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6300270432/102-3882796-3406543?v=glance&n=404272


AARGH !!
Black Rain omitted too !!! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305278016/ref=pd_sim_v_2/102-3882796-3406543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

C'mon, it's not a serious list without Ridley Scott and Sydney Pollak... Just Kidding
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: Best Yakuza Movies Reply with quote
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Blasfemy !!
You omitted "Yakuza" by Sydney Pollack with Robert Mitchum and Takakura Ken ! Shocked
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6300270432/102-3882796-3406543?v=glance&n=404272


AARGH !!
Black Rain omitted too !!! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305278016/ref=pd_sim_v_2/102-3882796-3406543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

C'mon, it's not a serious list without Ridley Scott and Sydney Pollak... Just Kidding


Believe it or not, I've never seen "Yakuza". I'll have to pick that up. But Black Rain was great. I should see it again, I haven't seen it in years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Best Yakuza Movies Reply with quote
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Believe it or not, I've never seen "Yakuza". I'll have to pick that up. But Black Rain was great. I should see it again, I haven't seen it in years.


I've downloaded "Yakuza" (italian version) with Emule, a peer-to-peer. There is not a DVD version and I made my own. I'm sure there is the english version too. IMHO a must to see.
If nothing else, because of you see Takakura Ken (that is in Black Rain too, playing the japanese policeman fellow of Michael Douglas) in his youth...
I'm sure Mumei saw it too. It explain very well the concept of "Giri" as obligation.
Is in this movie that I've heard the term "Girikatai Gaijin" that Tony explained me in another topic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really like the Seijin Suzuki directed "Tokyo Drifter", starring Tetsuya Watari. Even though it's from 1966 it doesn't seem dated at all, as anyone who has seen a Miike Takeshi, John Woo or Quentin Tarentino film will recognize some of their influences in this film. Anyways it goes as follows; yakuza trouble-shooter "Phoenix" Tetsu's boss decides to go straight, so Testsu feels obligated to do the same.

However a rival gang tries to muscle in on the former boss's rental properties and force Tetsu to join their gang. Tetsu feels honour-bound not to respond with violence so he leaves Tokyo and drifts around Japan. The rival gang kills Tetsu's boss and dispatches their #1 hitman "The Viper" to track down "Phoenix". With his boss dead Tetsu no longer feels obligated to be a law-abiding citizen........

In any case this is one very groovy movie. It's full of strange Seijin Suzuki touches like a gang office apparently inspired by swinging London, but with secret passageways and a nightclub where everything is white including the patron's suits. Another good Suzuki yakuza flick is the Yojimbo inspired "Youth of the Beast" starring Joe Shishido.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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"Battles Without Honor or Humanity" -- the granddaddy of 'em all, and still the best.

I watched 15 minutes of Gozu before I pulled it out of the player and sent it back to Netflix. Sorry, man, but I thought it was a steaming pile of self-indulgent stupidity on the part of a director with too much "name" and not enough real talent. Sort of like what would happen if someone were to let Stephen King publish his first drafts.


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I remember sitting down and watching all Six. It was defintly the Japanese "Godfather", great stuff. I remember Meiko kaji of Lady Snowblood being in it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Yakuza films Reply with quote
"Jingi Naki Tatakai "all 8 of them (inc the 3 Shin Jingi films )but beware the 9th entry by Kudo Eiichi it has polyester suits afro wigs and a shaft like acore .
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw a few of the "Jingi" films starring Riki Takeuchi - no budget, but he's the best current over-the-top Yakuza actor there is.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Yakuza films Reply with quote
Whoops i meant Shaft like score.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Yakuza films Reply with quote
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Whoops i meant Shaft like score.


You know, you can edit your own posts Just Kidding
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have never gotten as into Yakuza or Japanese crime based movies as samurai or martial arts movies. Of the few I've seen, these are the ones I liked. I'm not sure which qualify as really great, but here are the ones I liked that I can remember off the top of my head in no particular order.

“Posutoman Burusu” (Postman Blues)
“Brother”
“Koroshiya 1” (Ichi the Killer)
“Minbo no Onna” (The Gentle Art of Japanese Extortion)
“Yakuza no Hakaba: Kuchinashi no Hana” (Yakuza Graveyard)
“Jingi Naki Tatakai” (Battles Without Honor of Humanity)
“Koroshi no Rakuin” (Branded to Kill)
“Hana-bi” (Fireworks)
“Full Metal Gokudo” (Full Metal Yakuza)
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I would suggest checking out "Pornostar" or, as it is known in English, "Tokyo Rampage." It actually has nothing to do with porn, but it does involve a rampage in Tokyo, so I guess I can see why they made the change.

"A young man decides one day to start killing yakuza. After he kills his first two he gets roped into helping a wannabe gangster and his bumbling underlings to perform a hit.

While things work out in the beginning, this young psychopath quickly becomes more trouble than the gang expected. Will they be able to rid themselves of him, or will they be his next victims?"

It makes more sense than Ichi the Killer at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: PORNOSTAR Reply with quote
That is a great film (being Pornostar ).
for the record i would not even think of including Scott or Pollack in a top 10 Gokudo Film List quite simply they do not deserve it .Pollack disrespected Paul Schrader so much as well as the Jp Actors that Schrader wanted his name removed from the credits .
As for Scott brother Tony is a better director (Check out Revenge )and Black Rain is a decent film ,but !!how can i say this i have sat through many many yakuza films over the years from Edo Period like Jirrocho to the Giri Ninkyo epics as well as the Jitsuroku Eiga and more recent fare like Mochizuki and Miike and Scott and Shrader would not make my top 100 let alone 10 .

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Christopher Gans Crying Freeman
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The Brickster's current favorite is "Delinquent Girl Boss: Blossoming Night Dreams" starrin’ Oshida Reiko, courtesy of a pal who sent it over.



Now THAT’s what I call a real friend! This movie reinforced my impressions of Reiko-chan: if she ain’t the most beautiful woman in 60’s-70’s Japanese cinema (and for that matter, still lookin’ mighty fine), then the Brickster must be a Rhodes Scholar. Delinquent Girl Boss is Japanese sleaze and cheeseball comedy at its best, but even though touted as part of the Pinky genre really doesn’t contain much in the way of graphic violence and there’s little nudity as well. What you do get is a cornucopia of guilty pleasures-Japanese bar hostesses in the shortest mini skirts imaginable, decrepit dodderin’ old farts lustin’ after same, yakuza thugs, catfights, psychedelic drug use, lots of panty shots, an Austin Powers-like main man with teeth like a beaver, and a climatic fight in a pachinko parlor where Junko Miyazono shows she hasn’t forgotten her swordplay skills from the Okatsu trilogy. You know this film is gonna deliver the goods from the very first sequence when a big brawl erupts in the bathhouse of a Akagi Girls Reform School, with tattooed naked bad girls ladlin’ out the punch. You’re then treated to freeze frames detailin’ the criminal careers of the gals who are to be the dramatis personae for this round of ‘Delinquent Girl Boss’. Things get even better when Rika (Oshida Reiko) is released and is seen peddlin’ down a busy street on her bike, wearin’ the shortest mini skirt around-those long toned legs just about caused the Brickster to pass out when the blood rushed from his head to…well, ya know. Anyway, Rika’s new career at the cleaners is interrupted when the horny owner sneaks into her bed one night and finds himself denied. She finds herself out on the street, derelict but in the best cinematic tradition somehow able to afford a multitude of trendy clothes and outfits. It isn’t long before Rika catches the eyes of the neighborhood perverts along with the women’s branch of the local yakuza. In a nod to the classic Edo period yakuza films, Rika delivers a traditional yakuza style introduction and greetin’ before she beats the crap out of all of them.
Then we move into the main storyline-Rika ends up becomin’ a bar hostess at a place run by Umeko (Junko Miyazono, who had appeared with Reiko in the Okatsu series of Pinky/chambara films). In fact, all the girls (with the exception of one cross dresser) there includin’ Umeko are graduates of Akagi Reform School-Umeko hopes that the money they earn will help them to find a better way of life. Unfortunately, the local yakuza boss Ohba wants the property the bar is located on and is determined to get it by any means necessary. This is startin’ to sound a lot like an old Zatoichi film, ain’t it? Hell, all you’d need to do is change the costumin’ and sets. When one of Umeko’s hostesses (Bunny, presumably not the same chick Sgt. Carter hooked up with in Gomer Pyle) steals some drugs from Ohba’s ladies auxiliary, the gang boss uses it as the opportunity to pressure Umeko into handin’ over the deed to the place in lieu of a huge cash payment. Along the way, Rika delivers a fine ass-kickin’ to the leader of Ohba’s girls (Oharu, herself a graduate of the Akagi Reform School), changes her shirt in a convertible rollin’ down the street (doubtlessly causin’ a few wrecks along the way), gives it up to beaver-toothed grease monkey Tony (after strikin’ a fashion model pose in a skimpy bikini against a harbor break ‘dragon’s tooth’), offers herself to Ohba in exchange for eliminatin’ Umeko’s debt, and then is worked over by his muscle when he doesn’t honor his end of the deal-all while displayin’ her feisty-but-lovable attitude. This all leads up to the endin’ when Umeko decides she’s taken enuff BS, picks up her fathers sword, and heads over to Ohba’s pachinko parlor with her old flame Shinjiro (an employee of Doha’s who had killed her father) to carve out her spot in the cartel, so to speak. Rika and the rest of the bar hostesses show up to help out at just the right moment and Ohba gets 'stuck' with the bill. The film ends on just the right note, showin’ Umeko and her girls bein’ hauled away in the Paddy Wagon, cheerfully reminiscin’ about their prior turns in jail and speculatin’ where they might end up this time.
While there’s nothin’ new to be seen here, fans of exploitation and sleaze films will find this flick to be an entertainin’ way to spend an hour and a half. Just watchin’ Reiko is reward enough. For further Delinquent Girl Boss action on US DVD, there’s another entry in the series that’s only been released as a part of an expensive Pinky boxed set (Delinquent Girl Boss: Worthless To Confess). So American distributors take note-you need to get on the stick and release the rest of the Delinquent Girl Boss series NOW!
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Where is the love for Fukasaku here? not only are his 8 Battles films incredible, Graveyard of Honor, Street Mobster, Yakuza Graveyard, and Cops Vs Thugs are all classics as well. His movies have such a nihilistic yet fun quality to them, and theres still more I haven't yet go tmy hands on. I know Gosha made a few modern yakuzas as well, but so far I have only seen the The Wolves, which was very good, just not set in the postwar period. Sonatine was very interesting as well. I've got Shinoda's yakuza film, Pale Flower sitting here, but haven't gotten to it yet.
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