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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is a toughie. Using your hints I come up with Chujoryu being one of the styles that influenced both Ittoryu and Yagyu Shinkageryu. Ito Ittosai Kagehisa studied it in Kamakura and Kamiizumi Ise no Kami Nobutsana is supposed to have studied it as well as Kageryu, which he later formed into Shinkageryu which was formed into Yagyu Shinkageryu by Yagyu Muneyoshi. I can find no mention of caves. Well, maybe someone can take this info and get the answer. John
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
John,

You are close. However, I meant that one of the styles influenced YSR and the other did the same for Itto ryu.

I am going to let this question run for another week, so if anyone has any ideas please posts them, they maybe right.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess I will put this question to rest. And John I will give something for at least attempting it.

According to Honcho Bugei Shoden, and densho of some arts, two men received enlightenmentin the Udo caves of Kyushu,

The first was Aisu Ikosai Hisatada. He founded what is known as the Aisu no Kage ryu. From this man Kamiizumi Ise no Kami learned his style, and went on to created his Shinkage ryu.

It is also said that a bonze who entered the caves of Udo and also received mastery as to the way of martial endeavor. He is credited by many sources as being the founder of Toda ryu. Toda ryu was actually founded by Toda Seigan. However, I am sure this is just another example of men trying to make their style more so connected to antiquity by crediting its founding to a famous person.

I will grant that this was a somewhat ambiguous question which dealt more with myth than fact. We must take into considerations these myths, so as to gain insight into the ryu in which we study.

I will post the next question Monday, and it will not require as much research and involvement as this one did.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very 'enlightening' and interesting, thanks for the half point. Am in Japan now and might head that way. John
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
John,

Hope you are having a great time. If you do go and recieve heavenly prowess, remeber us poor saps would ya?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Everyone:

There will not be a question this week, as I am sure you already assumed. But there will be one next week, so keep your notes and your copy of Bugei Ryuha Daijiten close by.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Greetings from Japan.

Looking forward to the next question Jonah.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Steve,

It will not be till next week, my mother has been in the ICU at St Joseph's.

Anyway, how is the research and training going?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would like to apologize to everyone for the lack of continuation this tad has suffered the last few weeks. However, I will make strides to see i does not happen again.

Question 4
There was a samurai who, under Toyotomi Hideyoshi in the war with Korea, suffered a gun shot to the stomach. During this naval engagement the wounded bushi lept onto the enemy's flagship and slashed the commander's groin. After this courageous showing the swordsmen and his ryu gained renowned acclaim.

Who was this man, and what was his style?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which invasion of Korea? There were two under Toyotomi's rule; The first in 1592 and the second in 1594.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kogusoku wrote:
Which invasion of Korea? There were two under Toyotomi's rule; The first in 1592 and the second in 1594.


The second was in 1597.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steve,

I just looked and it was in the invasion of 1592.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Since no one has even attempted to try and answer this question, I will give a hint that I think will make it more obvious.

Hint: This swordsmen fought for Toyotomi at Sekigahara. Sadly however, he ended up fighting his own son who was on the Tokugawa side.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kuki Yoshitaka was the 9th headmaster of Kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho Ryu Bujutsu. He fought for Toyotomi Hideyoshi during the Invasion of Korea in 1592 and Sekigahara. He fought his son Kuki Moritaka during Sekigahara (who fought for the Tokugawa).

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jeff,

Long time no see. You are completely correct. I doubt I could have said ti better myself.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
To get this thread rolling again I am posing an easy question today tat will run till Friday.

Question 5
Name the founders of Ono ha and Nakanishi ha Itto ryu. Name two ryu which came from each. And list te main characteristics of the styles.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Since this is an easy question and no one has attempted it, I will allow it to continue to run until someone tries to answer it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Crickets..... Reply with quote
Ono ha Itto Ryu was founded by Ono Jiroemon Tadaaki. It was notable for its large curriculim, and use of Onigote.

Nakanishi ha Itto Ryu was founded by Nakanishi Chuta Tanesada. The style is said to essentially be the same as Ono ha, with a difference in timing, breathing, and exageration of kamae.


Ono ha inspired several styles: Mizoguchi ha Itto Ryu and Nakanishi ha itself

Nakanishi ha: Itto Shoden Muto Ryu and Hokushin Itto Ryu
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
One of the offshoots of Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu is Kogen Itto-ryu in Chichibu, Saitama.

Charateristics; Use of uke-nagashi, suri-age and suri-otoshi. Kogen Itto-ryu use a thick, near straight bokuto with a thick, conical tsuba carved out of wood. Their kodachi is of the same construct. The Kogen Itto-ryu syllabus is comprised of 25 tachi kata, 5 kodachi kata and 5 naginata kata.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jeff,

You are right again. And thank you for posting.

Steve,

And thank you for posing, although not exactly pertinent to this question, I will award you a point for joining in.
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