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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: The Loyal Ronins - Reply with quote

For anyone interested in picking up a good book, may I recommend The Loyal Ronins.

Published in 1880 by G.P. Putnam's Sons, the illustrated publication provides a unique telling of Dai Chiushingura (The Forty Seven Ronins).

The book can be downloaded here in PDF format for free. Some of you may wish to print it out for ease of reading.

http://ia340906.us.archive.org/2/items/loyalroninshisto00chiuiala/loyalroninshisto00chiuiala.pdf

Here is the short preface as written by the author:

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During the long winter evenings of my childhood, when the lamp burned dimly in the paper
lantern and but partly revealed the pictures on the screens, I often sat by the fire-bowl and listened
with awed face to my honored mother, who, to compensate me for the gloom of the apartment, would relate stories of the Forty-seven Ronins; and thus illuminate my soul with the light of loyalty. It was from her honored lips I received the histories embodied in this work ; therefore, if the book pleases, I beg the reader not to think of the old man of Yedo whose brush traces these characters, but to pay grateful respect to the spirit of my honored parent, whose eloquent descriptions I have so imperfectly reproduced, and whose body is now resting beneath the tall grass.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The translation's a bit funny in some places (Lord Big-Rock and Sir Cliff-Side?), but all in all looks to be a fun and interesting find.

Thanks for sharing it!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you for this. It is also available in full view through Google books as well for people who want to read it in that format.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ylQOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The translation's a bit funny in some places (Lord Big-Rock and Sir Cliff-Side?), but all in all looks to be a fun and interesting find.


Yes I should have pointed out, and this is very common of published works of the time, that there are serious grammatical and structural and overall quality differences then content we would see published now-a-days.

Yedo (as opposed Edo) is another example. Never the less, I think you'll get the flavor all the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
'Yedo', 'Iyeyasu', 'Uyeno', etc. was standard pre-Hepburn Romanization. It's not an 'error' per se. As an aside, this book has been posted to the forum before. Not sure where though.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I didn't say it was an error, rather I noted there were serious quality differences. At any rate, there you have it. For anyone interested.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Quality differences" kinda sorta has a negative implication, but anyway, I know what you mean now.

Also, here is the original thread where this story was posted:

http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=2096

I knew lord big rock was familiar.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I knew lord big rock was familiar.


Not something one hear's everyday Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who was Lord Big-Rock?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr. Slate, according to Fred Flintstone.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Who was Lord Big-Rock?
Why John Holmes, of course. Laughing

Don't listen to Tatsunoshi. He hangs out with Barney Rubble too much. Perhaps Lord Big Rock is better known as Onara Henosuke. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
John Holmes? Oh God Obenjo. I hope you don't watch any of his "sword" action movies.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Don't listen to Tatsunoshi. He hangs out with Barney Rubble too much.


You're way taller than Barney!

And Lord Big Rock, of course, is the Ronin's leader Oishi Kuranosuke (not to be confused with Oishi Kusanosuke). It's a literal translation of 大石内蔵助. I think in this book Asano's name is translated as Lord Schleprock.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote:
Don't listen to Tatsunoshi. He hangs out with Barney Rubble too much.




And Lord Big Rock, of course, is the Ronin's leader Oishi Kuranosuke (not to be confused with Oishi Kusanosuke). It's a literal translation of 大石内蔵助. I think in this book Asano's name is translated as Lord Schleprock.


Ah, thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And Lord Big Rock, of course, is the Ronin's leader Oishi Kuranosuke (not to be confused with Oishi Kusanosuke). It's a literal translation of 大石内蔵助. I think in this book Asano's name is translated as Lord Schleprock.


And you had to ruin all the fun. Mad I bet Tornadoes was struggling to find out more about Onara Henosuke, whom he should thoroughly research anyway to expand his knowledge bank. Just Kidding
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote:
Tatsunoshi wrote:


And Lord Big Rock, of course, is the Ronin's leader Oishi Kuranosuke (not to be confused with Oishi Kusanosuke). It's a literal translation of 大石内蔵助. I think in this book Asano's name is translated as Lord Schleprock.


And you had to ruin all the fun. Mad I bet Tornadoes was struggling to find out more about Onara Henosuke, whom he should thoroughly research anyway to expand his knowledge bank. Just Kidding


I don't know what to think Obenjo. It's like you have appointed yourself as my personal teacher.

I actually I did Google Onara Obenjo and found nothing. I have a feeling I'm missing some inside jokes here at the SA forum. But that's part of the learning process I guess. I don't get it
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Ah, but my role is to help you and others find an enlightened path to samurai history knowledge. Sure, the approach varies from person to person. The road can be arduous and frustrating at times, young padawan, but also humorous at times,too. Do not give up and do not look too hard in the wrong places when researching things. Trust your instincts. And to quote Tucan Sam, follow your nose; it always knows. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I actually I did Google Onara Obenjo and found nothing. I have a feeling I'm missing some inside jokes here at the SA forum. But that's part of the learning process I guess. I don't get it


Onara Henosuke.

Try just Googling onara for starters. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Onara. That stinks. Wink

Onara is also the theme song to the 2003 Korean television show called Dae Jang Geum which I actually watched. I loved that show.
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