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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Takashi Miike: Why I am bringing Japanese classics back to life"
The Japanese director explains why he has returned to the chanbara samurai films of his youth for his new film 13 Assassins and the upcoming Hara Kiri.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/05/takeshi-miike-japanese-samurai-classics
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: harakiri Reply with quote
You know he was going to make a Zatoichi film per the late Katsu's request but Kitano had him fired and hijacked the project ,comparing Kitano's crap adaption to Miike's 13 Assassins and you can see what we missed .
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll be seeing Miike's 13 Assassins at the theater today, should be even better than my HDTV! I wonder if the cut scene will be in it, probably not.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I will try and see it next Friday here in LA.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just got back, and the theater put it on the smallest screen in the complex, with only one soundtrack, and no stereo (and I *know* it was filmed in stereo surround sound because when I watched it on my HDTV I had stereo surround sound speakers, and it was awesome!) but the movie was still great, and seeing it for the second time was even better.

IF it hits the (big) big screen with stereo sound, I'll even see it a third time.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Went with the Shogun here, and it was pretty awesome. Miike proved himself for me with Sukiyaki Western Django (terrible English-language delivery aside), and after this, I'll follow him anywhere Smile

And, as a boost, Inagaki Goro actually gave a great performance, and didn't ruin it with his boy-bandiness.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Went with the Shogun here, and it was pretty awesome. Miike proved himself for me with Sukiyaki Western Django (terrible English-language delivery aside), and after this, I'll follow him anywhere Smile

And, as a boost, Inagaki Goro actually gave a great performance, and didn't ruin it with his boy-bandiness.
Did you see it together with the Shogun? Inquiry minds want to know if eats his popcorn buttered or plain and if he makes annoying "saku-saku" noises when he eats the half-popped kernels at the bottom of the bucket.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's just opened in London (where I am at the moment) to rave reviews so I'm going to try and see it next week Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Buttered. And, no, I didn't hear any 'saku-saku' sounds, whatever that may be, at least not over the people talking behind me and the little boy playing loudly with his trucks.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 9:16 am    Post subject: 13 Assassins Reply with quote
I used to work at a movie theater which showed exploitation circa 80's Italian and Cannon Flicks ,
We used to pop holes in the bottom of popcorn buckets and ....oh ill stop now .

Why did we do this ?,In one word Revenge !.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have seen the movie three times so far and have to say, blown away. I urge people to see the film and give their own opinions. I have to agree with the character development or lack of it. My favorite character of the movie has to be the hunter. That guy made me laugh with his dry sense of humor. As for the gruesome part, the female who had her limbs cut off as well as her tongue.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Saw it last night. It's brilliant. I thought the character development was not too bad, quite subtle. The acting is fantastic. Worth seeing on a huge screen with surround sound. I immediately wanted to sit through it all again.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was quite disappointed with the theatre here - it looked better on my widescreen tv and my soundsystem had the theater's beat by a mile. Still worth it. Another theater is showing it now, so I might risk it again.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote
I did not bother with the theater here for the same reason it has a tiny screen and crap sound system.

Most people in my neck of the woods would be better off picking up the DVD when it comes out next month and watching it at home .
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I watched it twice over the weekend on a tiny tv at home but it was still a great film and even better the second time. I wish I could see it on a big screen...or at least a really big tv.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: 13 Reply with quote
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I did not bother with the theater here for the same reason it has a tiny screen and crap sound system.

Most people in my neck of the woods would be better off picking up the DVD when it comes out next month and watching it at home .


Same here. The movie is one of the best I have seen in a long time. It would great if the movie was played at a big theater with decent sound system.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know the idea of only 13 people successfully battling 200 takes a lot to accept but what I don't understand is why the assassins on the roofs would throw down their bows and arrows. They had superior positions and were eliminating many and they still had arrows left. And why didn't the defenders use their spears to stab the assassins from behind when they were engaged with other defenders? I guess the whole idea of one person successfully fending off and defeating dozens of attackers who are surrounding him is just a bit ridiculous to me. I know it is just a film for entertainment but these types of battles I just don't get.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
On my cellphone so short answer: Shinzaeomon's goal was to die with honor, not shoot arrows.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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On my cellphone so short answer: Shinzaeomon's goal was to die with honor, not shoot arrows.
I know but he still hoped to kill the evil daimyo. But I do like your answer Kitsuno. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, now I can type. A friend of mine who was in the Marines, and is one of those people who likes to fight told me that it's easier to fight a group rather than one on one for two reasons - 1. They get in each other's way, and 2. Because of the psychology of groups - every guy is thinking someone else will step up and fight, so the group doesn't take the initiative very well - in fact, (and this is my thought) if you look at the Kitty Genovese murder, he makes a good point.

As for not using a bow, Shinzaemon was near retirement, just wasting away as a Samurai as he saw it, and he was literally thrilled to be given the opportunity to die a Samurai (can't remember the exact words he used) but when he was shown the "Complete Massacre" paper, he was almost tearing up with joy, so I don't think he intended to survive, and just attempting to right a wrong was enough for him. I'm sure most of the other guys planned on surviving, although it seemed they were ready to die for the cause, so who knows.

Here's what Mary Berry has to say about it:

Yet despite all such qualifications, Hagakure does speak powerfully to a sentiment many of us do want powerfully to feel - without calculation of conflict or cost. This is something that the philosopher J. Glenn Gray describes in a book about his own experience of World War II as a "feeling of the sublime." War can have what he calls an "ecstatic character" as the soldier escapes himself in a rapturous union with some thing grander, something seemingly infinite, to which he is subject (and for which he will fight) (1998, esp. 25-58 ).

This sublimation seems to me what we capture in expressions like "loyalty," "patriotism," "love of country." The terms are shorthand for a big and worthy purpose - for a surrender of ego to that superior thing - and thus for an escape from the human tragedy of loneliness and smallness. Sacrifice in the service of the good lifts the burden of insignificance.

And, yes, we want the purpose, the surrender, the lift of spirit. There, of course, is the rub, for Gray warns us that the feeling of the sublime comes at a sacrifice of rationality and a suspension of conscience. That may not be too high a price for individual soldiers who find the joy so great (if transitory) that they never forget it.


And lastly, the movie is built on Edo-period ideals. That's what Chambara is all about.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you for the explanation Kitsuno. I remember that scene where Shinzaemon became emotional with happiness at the realization of his objective. That was actually one of my favorite scenes in the entire movie (I will admit even gave me goose bumps a little). His happiness at realizing that he had the opportunity to give his life for something so noble that he had never expected in the peace of the Edo period. Loved that scene.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote
My fave quote about this film came from the 13 Assassins Face Book Page ...

"Ok everyone just calm down", "1 do not want anyone to die from laughing ".

Here we go.

"BEST SAMURAI FILM SINCE KILL BILL VOL 1".
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Review of 13 Assassins on Asia Shock:

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