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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:04 am    Post subject: Help with the Kanji signature on a sword tang. Reply with quote
Can anybody help me translate what this signature says or anything else that might be helpful? The blade is 27 inches long, has a single rivet hold, has Shobu-zukuri style blade and Masame grain pattern and the following 4 kanji letters.


正 千 一 君

Thanks so much in advance!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can make these kanji produce a Japanese name-like sound, but, I am sure they really have no real meaning as this looks to be a Chinese replica sword. Sorry. John
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with the Kanji signature on a sword tang. Reply with quote
vclombardi wrote:
Can anybody help me translate what this signature says or anything else that might be helpful? The blade is 27 inches long, has a single rivet hold, has Shobu-zukuri style blade and Masame grain pattern and the following 4 kanji letters.


正 千 一 君

Thanks so much in advance!

Its not looking good so far, can you post some pictures of the blade to make sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This tang is so ugly and have such a brandnew-look
that 99,999 % John (Shon-no-Sen) is right.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kanji Translation:
"Made in China"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
After shin no sen and estcrh said the right things Your humor seems stupid, guys.

vclombardi comed to ask experts concrete question, not for snobistic words or stupid mocking.

Are Your never being young or mistaken ?

Shame on You.

@ vclombardi : kanji can be translated somehow as "Thousand years of hapiness for You"
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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After shin no sen and estcrh said
the right things Your humor seems stupid, guys.


Isogai wrote:
Shame on You.


I see no humor at all here.
He already knows what Shobuzukuri and Masame means,
and now he knows that the shape, patina and
conditions of a tang is a good indicator to watch
at, even without translating the eventual
inscription and omitting the odd position of the
Mekugiana that together with the ruined shape of the
upper Nakago (tang)and the not common shobuzuki
construction might indicate a butchering of the blade.
Hopefully will try to learn how it should look like,
possibly purchasing good books
about the matter.

BTW, when you've been appointed Moderator ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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BTW, when you've been appointed Moderator ?


Never.

But I felt myself quite right to share some opinion about:

1) some cheap snobism of some presernted "experts"
2) mocking on newcommers

Does it hurts You so badly?

Gomen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Isogai wrote:
After shin no sen and estcrh said the right things Your humor seems stupid, guys.

vclombardi comed to ask experts concrete question, not for snobistic words or stupid mocking.

Are Your never being young or mistaken ?

Shame on You.


LOL

Since you are from Eastern Europe, you may not appreciate this movie quote from "Stripes", but it's applicable here ...

"Lighten up Francis."

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@ vclombardi : kanji can be translated somehow as "Thousand years of hapiness for You"

"Máo Zhǔxí wànsuì!" "May Chairman Mao live for ten thousand years!"
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Isogai wrote:

But I felt myself quite right to share some opinion about:

1) some cheap snobism of some presernted "experts"
2) mocking on newcommers

Does it hurts You so badly?

Oh please ...

You are starting to sound like some of my ex-girlfriends. Just interject a few, "you are such an asshole" into the conversation and it will be just like old times.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You are starting to sound like some of my ex-girlfriends. Just interject a few, "you are such an asshole" into the conversation and it will be just like old times.


Laughing

Ok. I'll stop on this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
vclombardi never said if the sword in question was owned or just a prospect to buy or etc, maybe the terms used "Masame grain pattern" are part of the swords description or something told by someone else etc, we just do not know. vclombardi asked for a translation and I cant tell Japanese from Chinese so I can not be much help on that. Whats very obvious to more experienced people may not be so obvious to someone else. If vclombardi wants to go any further with this sword then some pictures would be needed....so we can rip the blade apart to!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Isogai wrote:
Gomen.


Generously accepted.
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