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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:56 pm    Post subject: From the The AAS-ICAS Joint Conference Reply with quote
Just got back from an almost 16 hour day -- I stupidly forgot to bring my cellphone charger, so halfway through my phone died, but if you have been keeping up with the twitter page, and/or utilizing a search for #AASConference (and I recommend you do, because it looks like I started a trend, so you should find others at the conference who use this tag) and keeping an eye on facebook you should have seen my periodic updates.

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It has been GREAT. Of note I've seen Mikael Adolphson, author of "The Teeth and Claws of the Buddha", not presenting as far as I know, but he was attending a seminar we were at (we being myself and LTDomer), and Luke Roberts, author of "Mercantilism in a Japanese Domain", among others.

The big news so far (for us Samurai aficionados, anyway) is that Kitagawa Tomoko, a Harvard professor, will be soon publishing a book on Hideyoshi's concubines. I keep spotting her here and there but haven't had a chance to stop her to get the title and publishing date, I will try tomorrow.

All that aside, 'Domer and myself probably went to the most dramatic seminar so far - a fight actually broke out, if you can believe it. It was crazy, and my stupid cellphone had already died by then, so I wasn't able to record the incident, and everything happened pretty quickly, so I only got a shot of the overturned chairs before security ushered us out. I'm wiped out, but expect detailed blog posts or posts here tomorrow or maybe tonight by 'domer on this and his thoughts on the conference. Tomorrow shouldn't be a 16 hour day, so I should be able to post some good overviews, and the accoustics in the rooms are spectacular, so I have some crystal clear audio of some of the presenters, as well as a rundown by us who were there, so expect a quick n' easy podcast to be available within the next 2-3 days.

I'm going to bed, so Ameth or 'domer can take it from here.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's my writeup of the one Kitsuno references above. Just...wow.

He Said, He Said: Resolving Conflicts in Primary Sources in 16th Century Japan

David Neilson, University of Oregon: Self-Published History: the case of the Bukôyawa.

Yosuke Matsuoka, Aichi Daigaku—Reflections of Warrior Rule in the Diaries of Nobility & Clergy

Keiichi Oshima, Gifu University—The Cult of Nobunaga: Reconciling the Primary Sources around Nobunaga’s Death

Wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this one, so I’ll get cut to the chase. Madness broke out at the conference. This was one of the late breaking panels that was only announced in a handout given when we registered, but I blew off another panel I planned to attend in order to make room for it. I was looking forward to hearing Neilson speak and getting his opinions on the Shinchoki/Shinchokoki debate. I got way more than I bargained for. Neilson gave a decent talk, and if you’ve read his thesis that’s been covered on the discussion board before, nothing very new was in it—he mostly discusses the criticism the Bukoyawa has received from certain areas, primarily Fujimoto Masayuki. Just like in the thesis, he pretty much tears up Fujimoto as a pseudo-academic, but there wasn’t much different than what he had already written.

Next was Matsuoka, and it was interesting, but not part of the good stuff, so I’ll cover that in more detail later. I have more important things to cover in my limited time now.

So, the main event, so to speak: Oshima. Wow. Kitsuno can chime in with his input when he gets a chance, but this was easily the highlight of the day for me.

Bottom line: There apparently was (is?) a secret cult that centered around Nobunaga. Followers/worshipers of Nobunaga, some of whom were in his inner circle, were part of his contingent at the Honno-ji when he was attacked by Akechi Mitsuhide. These devoted followers actually spirited Nobunaga’s body away, and hid it in a remote temple, location unknown. Much has been made of the statements by Luis Frois ascribing self-deification to Nobunaga, but it really hasn’t been taken seriously by academics. Oshima claims that not only did Nobunaga proclaim himself a god, but that this group of devoted followers developed into a cult of Nobunaga, and after his death kept his remains in this secret location as holy relics. The cult included some very well known figures—Sassa Narimasa and Takigawa Kazumasa are two positively identified, and Oshima alleges a connection to Shibata Katsuie. Also prominent are the Maeno and Hachisuka clans, the focus of the Bukoyawa. Supposedly, with the destruction of Shibata at Shizugatake, the Nobunaga cult went underground, as Toyotomi Hideyoshi became the ultimate power. Open worship of Nobunaga became an act of defiance against the Toyotomi and later Tokugawa governments, and was suppressed with just as much fervor as the persecution of Christians was pursued later. In fact, Oshima claims that this was the real reason that Sassa Narimasa was eventually ordered to death by Hideyoshi. Oshima claims that this “Kakure Nobunaga” cult continued on in the mountains of Gifu to this day, and the influence of the cult ideas can be seen in modern representations of Nobunaga as an evil demon in games, manga, etc. This representation is the pop culture manifestation of Nobunaga as a “vengeful spirit” returning to wreak havoc on his enemies.

I’d think this was total bunk, but Oshima actually made a pretty good case for it. His “proof” draws heavily on Inoue’s theories about the Shinchoki, Shinchokoki, and Bukoyawa being complementary texts. When I first heard this theory through Neilson’s thesis, I thought it was insane. Oshima makes the case that Ota Gyuuichi is Nobunaga’s St. Paul: the Shinchokoki, Shinchoki, and Bukoyawa are the religious texts of the Nobunaga cult. As Inoue theorized, the three accounts are intentionally misleading/mistaken in parts in order to throw off the anti-Nobunaga cult Tokugawa authorities. Certain passages are written in code that gives clues to which other passages in one book mesh with passages in another. The Bukoyawa serves as a kind of concordance/key to illuminate which chapters in the Shinchoki and Shinchokoki contain the hidden information. It gets better: the Kano school of artists was part of the cult as well, and clues to the location of the hidden tomb of Nobunaga can be found by reading the coded passages in the Bukoyawa and matching it up with certain paintings by Kano Eitoku and his successors. It’s late and I’ve got to get a few hours of sleep before I get up to go back to the conference tomorrow, so I’ll try to get to the details later after I sort through my notes. We haven’t even gotten to the best part yet.

After Oshima finished speaking, the floor was opened to questions, and a Japanese man who was obviously agitated during both Neilson’s and Oshima’s talks wasted no time. I understood when he introduced himself—Fujimoto Masayuki! Neilson outlines his arguments against the Bukoyawa, as it invalidates his theory that Sunomata-jo never existed and was an Edo Period fable. However, he skipped right over Neilson, and went straight for Oshima’s throat! In VERY strong (and non-academic) language, Fujimoto dressed down Oshima, calling him a fraud, and going on about how the Shinchokoki is the only legit source of information about Nobunaga, and since there’s no mention of a cult or anything, this theory is bunk. He seemed very upset that anyone would suggest reading anything but the Shinchokoki. He pointed at Neilson and made some sort of comment like he expected it from uninformed gaijin scholars, that they wouldn’t know any better, but that Oshima should be ashamed of spouting these lies (all this was in Japanese, by the way, so I’m doing my best to remember. Turns out my digital recorder had filled up by this time). Oshima started to rebut, and tried to get out something about true scholars evaluating all sources , and that he was close to finding the exact location of Nobunaga’s mausoleum (I am assuming he means where Nobunaga is enshrined, as he would have been cremated, no?). I’m not exactly sure what happened next, but Fujimoto snapped. “Omae, koroshite yaru ze!” he shouted, and rushed at Oshima. Thankfully a few in the audience were able to get ahold of him and keep it from getting even more violent, but Fujimoto got in a punch on Oshima before he was pulled apart from him. Security had to be called in and three rather large Polynesian security types escorted Fujimoto out. The moderator decided to close things down at that point, but everyone left wondering what the hell had just happened. Unfortunately, this meant that Kitsuno and I didn’t get to ask any questions about this theory, but I’ll be trying to do some research and see what else we can find. We have more meetings over the next few days, so maybe I can find Dr. Oshima and get some questions in.

All in all, an interesting conference so far. I didn’t think I’d be playing war correspondent, but hey, at least I’m not falling asleep.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks, guys!! Sounds like one hell of a conferance. John
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Now why can't all academic lectures be that exciting! Sounds about as much fun as a session of the US Senate before they outlawed canes.

The theory is interesting, and the conflict just makes me more curious. There must be some serious emotions there. If you guys can remember any more, or if you have notes, I'd love to see what there is and what you think. It reminds me a bit of the Freemasons in Europe and their connection to the Knights Templar. It also makes me think of a similar attempt by the Mughal ruler Akbar I, who appears to have been attempting to create his own religion with himself at its head.

Heck, just look at Emp. Temmu's efforts in the Asuka period to consolidate power and the way he used religion. Of course, their name clearly evokes the "kakure kirishitan" movement--given Nobunaga's links with the Jesuits and other foreigners, could his followers have paralleled the hidden Christians, possibly even using the persecution of the "foreign" religion to bolster their own cult? That could possibly mean that there are still adherents in the modern "hanare kirishitan" followers, if that's the case.

Of course, this is all just wild speculation at the moment. I'm interested to hear more about what is out there--do you know if Oshima has published anything on this, or if it is forthcoming (and is there an English translation)?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow, talk about the passion. I never expected I'd be reading about a denunciation and a fight breaking out in the first posts about the conference. A cult of Nobunaga doesn't really surprise me since it seems like it was a strategy that both Hideyoshi and Ieyasu borrowed for their own purposes. The parts about the Bukoyawa being the key to reading the Shinkoki and the Shinchokoki, and clues in the paintings revealing a secret mausoleum seem more like The DaVinci Code right now, but if Oshima ever finds it, I'll take it back.

If the cult was as dedicated as Oshima claims, AND they spirited Nobunaga's body away, it is possible that they wouldn't have cremated the body, but rather used one of the mummification techniques that were practiced at some Buddhist temples. It would be interesting to compare that DNA sample with that of a figure skating descendent.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow! Fujimoto Masayuki finally snapped! I wish I was there to see it. Oshima from my old stomping grounds of Gifu University, sweet.

When I read Neilson's thesis, my opinion of Masayuki was self-centered. After this incident, nothing has changed. Neilson destroyed him when it came to the Sunomata construction and the evidence he provided proved it.

I would love to get my hands of Oshima's work since this "Hidden Nobunaga" is new to me. As for the cult worship in the mountains in Gifu, there is some truth to that. When I was living there, my old prof told me some freaky stories about the spirit of Nobunaga roaming around Mt. Kinka-zan. I will be honest with you, never believed it nor did my prof.

Domer, I wonder if Oshima mentioned anything about the Tsurugi Shrine (The Oda Family in Fukui) in his work and had to do with the Nobunaga cult?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's messed up-I assume those two (or at least Fujimoto) won't be asked back to speak again. Looks like what Hawley said in his "Imjin War" interview is true-academics defend their little acre of land like bulldogs. I'm surprised it wasn't Adolphson who started up a scuffle, since I hear he's got a pretty short fuse.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am just surprised that Fujimoto Masayuki gone wild. I agree with you Tatsunoshi on Fujimoto on not coming back. I almost bought his book regarding on his take on the Bukoyawa last year. After this incident, I do not know.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am drinking in an honest to goodness bouzu bar run by a real Jodo Shin Shu sect monk and all of this is too surreal. All I can say after reading this thread is "wow. Just wow."
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is incredible news. Not what I had expected at all. I had no idea this conference was going to be this exciting. I agree with Tatsu that they probably won't be asked back again but also in a way I love to see such strong emotions, especially over a topic over 400 years old. I really would love to hear about Oshima's evidence of the location of Nobunaga's mausoleum. How could something like that in a small country like Japan be hidden for 430 years?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't have time to elaborate, and unfortunately I don't have wireless at the convention site (because I'm not paying $15 for it), so I'll try later, but:

what if Fujimoto is part of the cult, and all this "only read the Shinchokoki" stuff is an act to throw people off? I mean, Neilson clearly showed how it's necessary to go way beyond the official histories, something echoed in our last panel we went to last night. But if you make a loud enough stir, people listen because they don't want you to target them. Is this how Fujimoto keeps people "quiet", and Oshima is threatening to blow it all up? Maybe that would explain the violent response? I don't know. It's all so bizarre.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just woke up - I'm about to head out, but it was equal parts hilarious and crazy. It all seems really Da Vinci code to me. I have my cellphone charger with me today, so if we get any more drama, I'll be on top if it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Before I forget:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Awesome. Such emotion over the history of Nobunaga. Love it. I really wish there was video of the brouhaha.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It was something I was NOT expecting. I'm posting from my phone, so to be brief, I saw Ken Swope this morning, but damnit I couldn't ask my pointed question about evaluating sources surrounding invasions (in addition to his book on the korean invasions, his current paper is on the ming invasion of vietnam). The moderator co-opted questions by focusing on the other well known scholars in the room. Reread tatsunoshi's review of his book on the blog to see why I wanted to ask.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I hope you are able to get in touch with Mr. Oshima and ask some questions related to his work. Nice theory on why Fujimoto acted the way he did. Maybe he is part of the cult. Who knows.

Neilson and Oshima are the only two that I know that have included Inoue's theory in their works. Probably, to be open minded and give all sides to the story.

I smell a future movie being made here, a Japanese version of National Treasure.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Funny you should mention Oshima, I just got home and checked my email now, and someone who claims to be an Asian Studies grad student at the University of Michigan who is attending the conference sent me this pic after reading the blog post, and said that this is an image of the ambulance that took Oshima to the hospital yesterday. I really don't have any details beyond what the grad student said - this is definitely the front of the convention center:

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Another day down..no fights though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for these riveting reports. None of the panels I've been to have been nearly that action-packed, though one paper on the construction of Okinawa as a site of furusato nostalgia for "mainland" Japanese was quite intellectually stimulating.

At some point, I hope to write a blog post - or put together a podcast along with our Shogun here - about that talk and others.

But, alas, as a result of Kabuki rehearsal, I am just super super busy this weekend. Haven't even had time to check the forums for a good day or two until just now, let alone writing anything about what I've heard and my thoughts.

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Update on the Oshima/Fujimoto fight:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is the link to the first 30 minute podcast recorded between sessions on day 1:

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This link will expire around April 8th, but eventually I will organize and warehouse all of them. Keep in mind that for a variety of reasons, the audio quality is not what I want (including no where quiet to record, and free audio editing software), but hopefully it will be a little interesting.

Expect 2-4 more of these over the next week, and hopefully in a month or so, we will kick off the official podcast.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the audio input and enjoyed it. Any news on Oshima or did you finally get in touch with Kitagawa Tomoko on her new book?

Hopefully, the podcast will have a discussion on Neilson and the Oshima/Fujimoto brawl.
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currently in a seminar, but still haven't seen Kitagawa.
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Any news on Oshima ...?

Hopefully, the podcast will have a discussion on Neilson and the Oshima/Fujimoto brawl.


Nope. No word on him since what happened on April 1st.
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Nope. No word on him since what happened on April 1st.


Well done. I liked the Dr. T prank from last year better, but this one was well executed.
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