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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:14 am    Post subject: Why Sakamoto Ryoma Now? Symposium Reply with quote
We went to the Why Sakamoto Ryoma Now? Symposium last night, light on history, heavy on let's all get along ideals, but it was pretty interesting. It included the current head of the Sakamoto family, a direct descendant of Katsu Kaishu, a John Manjiro researcher, and a few others. We'll have a podcast available after we finish up the History of Japan series, but in the meantime, if you're interested, here is a collection of photos:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And here is the podcast episode where we report on the symposium:

EP27 Symposium Report - Why Ryoma Now
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I happened to see the video at http://video.fc2.com/ja/content/20111030T90LmqEp/
I thought it's weird speech.
They tried to link Ryoma and 3.11 earthquake.
Then their conclusion was "human life is precious!"
Another strange claim was
-If Ryoma was alive, Boshin war didn't happen.
-If Boshin didn't happen, Sino-Japan war didn't happen.
-If Sino-Japan war didn't happen, Russo-Japan war didn't happen.
-If Russo-Japan war didn't happen, WWII didn't happen.
-Peace forever!

I felt like listening to some kind of cult.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
well, to be fair, one person can have a pretty big impact on history. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
AJBryant wrote:
well, to be fair, one person can have a pretty big impact on history. Wink


HERESY! LOCK HIM UP! INDIVIDUALS HAVE NO AGENCY! HISTORY MARCHES ON AND WE ARE ALL BUT HELPLESS TO OPPOSE THE LARGER DRIVE TOWARDS INEVITABLE [insert end state of your particular political dogma here]!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
shikisoku wrote:
I happened to see the video at http://video.fc2.com/ja/content/20111030T90LmqEp/
I thought it's weird speech.
They tried to link Ryoma and 3.11 earthquake.
Then their conclusion was "human life is precious!"
Another strange claim was
-If Ryoma was alive, Boshin war didn't happen.
-If Boshin didn't happen, Sino-Japan war didn't happen.
-If Sino-Japan war didn't happen, Russo-Japan war didn't happen.
-If Russo-Japan war didn't happen, WWII didn't happen.
-Peace forever!

I felt like listening to some kind of cult.


Yeah, it was absolutely bizarre.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AJBryant wrote:
well, to be fair, one person can have a pretty big impact on history. Wink


Case in point, you stopped contributing to this forum, causing it to fall into a coma. Only you can awaken it!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe a new spring has dawned for the forum with the return of Tony? Is that the sound of birds I hear chirping instead of crickets?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It depends; are we talking Hitchcock birds, or what? Wink

(BTW: I've never really understood the whole Ryoma thing. It just... I don't get it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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(BTW: I've never really understood the whole Ryoma thing. It just... I don't get it.)


(BTW: I've never really understood the whole [Edo/Bakumatsu] thing. It just... I don't get it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Peace forever! I felt like listening to some kind of cult.


I've heard Japanese haiku poets say that haiku will bring peace around the world. I love haiku, but my reaction to this kind of fantasy is a weak smile.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If Ryoma had lived, I predict he would have changed his personal bathing habitsand become a spokesman for 日本有機 (Nippon Yuki) the Meiji era precursor to Kao Corp, and vowed to really clean up Japan while slamming his fist on the nearest table.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I had an abortive conspiracy theory short story awhile back that posited a complicated series of events leading to the survival of both Ryoma and Nakaoka Shintaro, and, in that scenario, Ryoma, being the free spirit and all, embarked on a trip around the world and disappeared at sea. He seemed to be very much of a narrow age to me, and I suspect his "heroism" might even have been spent spun off with Itagaki Taisuke and the Jiyuto folks or as a wild adjunct to a putative Katsu Kaishu naval group. Any way I played with it, Ryoma died early and didn't manage much in the political realm. Nakaoka, on the other hand, became a famous general and lived right up til he was assassinated in the 1936 revolt. It's that stout yuzu farmer's blood, eh? Oh yeah, Boshin War-still happened, Russo-Japanese War--still happened, etc. etc. Anyway, it's all fantasy and conspiracy theory, ain't it?

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If Ryoma had lived, I predict he would have changed his personal bathing habitsand become a spokesman for 日本有機 (Nippon Yuki) the Meiji era precursor to Kao Corp, and vowed to really clean up Japan while slamming his fist on the nearest table.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
One of the key themes of this symposium was the idea that Ryôma loved America, and loved democracy.

A quote from Ryôma's writings cited by Prof. Mark McNally at the recent Ryukyu Parades & Processions symposium at U Hawaii would seem to dramatically counter this assertion.

Paraphrasing: "Foreign ships will continue to come, and the number of foreign people will grow, and then foreign armies won't be far behind. And then, I shall take me some foreign heads."

So, yeah, Ryôma loved America. Sure he did...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sounds like he loved him some American heads.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, yeah, Ryôma loved America. Sure he did...


Of course he did! I'm sure he had the French in mind when his thoughts turned to decapitation. Everyone feels that way-it's only natural.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Why Ryoma now ?. Reply with quote
There is also the possibility had he lived he may have just been left out of all plans and excluded ,at this point he may have ended up being a homeless alcoholic .

The affect on us today would be no Ryoma dramas and more Chushingura's .
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