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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Ho Wood Tree Reply with quote
Does anyone know if the Japanese Saucer Magnolia is a ho wood tree used to make saya?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Magnolia Obivata or Magnolia Hypoleuca (Big Leaf or Whitebark Magnolias) as far as I know. I think Magnolea Soulangea (Suacer Magnolia) may be too small. John
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Google image shows this pink flower magnolia to be the Japanese Magnolia. I should have came here first!
Do you know if they use both kinds?
I have never been to Japan, do all different kinds of Magnolia trees grow there?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I find now that honoki also spelled hinoki wood is actually chamaecyparis obtusa. A wood that is used in traditional temples. It seems to be conected with "Ho" wood and now I am totally confused!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, different Magnolias. Hinoki is a Cypress and is not used for saya, although maybe it could. You have to be careful what wood is used because some have chemicals in the wood that will cause bad reactions to the steel, eg. Oak is bad. Working in Hinoki was a specialised trade in Japan and licensed by the temples for whom most was used. Honoki and Hinoki are not the same. John
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So Honiki is Ho wood? and either Hypoleuca or obovata are good woods to use for saya? I am trying to locate this tree here! (Davis California)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Honoki (Magnolia) is aged many years before using to ensure dryness and no warpage. At least kiln dried. Ho wood is a camphor wood and not related to Honoki. John
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you so much for your patience on this matter.

Ho wood and honoki have been used interchangeably so that is another problem. I was still trying to find out if both genus you named before, Magnolia hypoleuca or Magnolia obovata are good to use for saya?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So if they are both good to use, which one is more commonly chosen? Magnolia Obovata or Magnolia Hypolucea?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
According to The Craft of the Japanese Sword, saya are always made from Magnolia obovata.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you, that tree is seriously unavailable here!

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