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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Stolen Japanese cultural properties found in Korean market Reply with quote
580 items have been stolen but Korean police refuse to investigate.
http://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/2013/01/04/16399/

Korea do not have much Buddhism artifact because Lee dynasty Korea had abused Buddhism for centuries.
So now they are stealing from Japanese temples.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Korea and Her Neighbors 1898
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When buddhist priests and temples were prohibited in the walled towns three centuries ago, anything like a nationalfaith disappeared from Korea,


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Leaving out the temple of Confucius and the homage officially rendered to his tablet in Korea as in China, there are no official temples in Seoul, nor might a priest enter its gates under pain of death, consequently the emphasis which noble religious buildings give even to the meanest city in China or Japan is lacking.

There is a small temple to the God of War outside the south gate, with some very curious frescoes, but I seldom saw any worshippers there.
The absence of temples is a feature of the other Korean cities.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, when Japan steals artifacts from Korea, it's an atrocity, and Korea angrily demands their return.

But for Korea to steal artifacts from Japan is alright.

Nice going, Korea. Good job.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, when Japan steals artifacts from Korea, it's an atrocity, and Korea angrily demands their return.

But for Korea to steal artifacts from Japan is alright.

Nice going, Korea. Good job.

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Like most things Korea steals from Japan, I'm sure they claim they created the artifacts first and the Japanese actually stole them. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those cultural properties in Japanese temples were "donated"寄進 by original or previous owners centuries ago.
For example, one of the temples Kakurinji is related to a priest from Koguryo so there is no wonder they have Korean peninsula related items.
Koreans even claim items in Shosoin were stolen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Those cultural properties in Japanese temples were "donated"寄進 by original or previous owners centuries ago.


For the vast majority of objects, you are right, and I agree with you. The countless things brought over to Japan by individual Koreans or Chinese (especially traveling monks, scholars, merchants), or formally gifted to the shogunate, to the court, or to various daimyo, etc., all of those are, to my mind, perfectly valid, and not in any way "stolen."

But then there are things taken from Korea in the 1890s-1940s, and that's a bit more problematic. I'm still not saying I necessarily support their return in every single case, but, in those cases, it is a bit more iffy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But then there are things taken from Korea in the 1890s-1940s

Which one are you talking about?
As Bird said there were few Buddhism artifact remained in Korea already.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know the full extent of what objects, or how many, were taken from Korea during the colonial period, but there were, for example, the Uigwe books, many of which were returned within the last few years.

See also this Japan Times article from a few years ago, entitled "Artifact transfer may cause friction: Ownership question could keep in Japan some Korean items seized during colonial rule."

There definitely were objects removed from Korea, to Japan, during the colonial period. How many, or of exactly what type, whether they were primarily Buddhist objects or not, I don't know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Uigwe books were NOT stored in a temple.
You are confusing.

The Uigwe books stored in Kunaicho library were COPY.
Original are still in France.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The Uigwe books were NOT stored in a temple.


That's besides the point. We're not talking about what was or was not stored in a temple. We're talking about objects the Koreans accuse Japan of having stolen.

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The Uigwe books stored in Kunaicho library were COPY.
Original are still in France.


That's interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Koreans would be all up in arms about a bunch of copies...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Because hating the French doesn't give anyone political benefit in Korea?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I totally didn't see those.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's cause they're MINE. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Korean civic group demands returning of a bell that was brought to Japan during Imjin war.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/otona/news/20130201-OYT8T00543.htm

How many centuries do we have to go back?

Koiso Ryohei's stolen painting was found in Korea but they don't return. 2008
http://www.47news.jp/CN/200811/CN2008111301000606.html
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