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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:37 am    Post subject: Whatever happened to Oichi after the Azai was brought down? Reply with quote
I'm finding conflicting information. Some say she immediately went to marry Katsuie Shibata, while some other source say she only married Katsuie after Nobunaga died.

So after Nagamasa died, where did Oichi and her daughters live at?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Whatever happened to Oichi after the Azai was brought do Reply with quote
I found the following on the SA Home page and clicked on Famous Women:

Oichi
d.1583
Oda Nobunaga's Sister

Few women in Japanese history have quite the pathos of Oichi, a sister of Oda Nobunaga reknowned for her beauty. She was initially was married to Shibata Katsuie after the latter begged pardon for an abortive rebellion in 1557. Following Nobunaga's conquest of Mino in 1567, Nobunaga made Shibata divorce Oichi so that she might be sent as wife to the young Asai Nagamasa, lord of N. Ômi province. Through Nagamasa she bore one son (Manjumaru) and three daughters. Unfortunately, Nagamasa betrayed his alliance with Nobunaga in 1570 and went to war with him on behalf of the Asakura family. The fighting continued for three years until the Asakura were destroyed and Nagamasa's Odani Castle was surrounded. Nobunaga requested that his sister be returned to him, and this Nagamasa allowed, sending out Oichi and her three daughters. Nagamasa and Manjumaru then perished, leaving Oichi to be shuffled back to Katsuie (though when this happened seems to be a point of debate).

In 1583, following Nobunaga's death, Shibata Katsuie and Toyotomi Hideyoshi went to war over the issue of succession. Katsuie's army was crushed at Shizugatake in the hills of northern Ômi, and the old general himself (who had not been present at the battle) shut himself up in Ichi no tani with the intention of committing suicide. He begged Oichi to take her daughters and flee but to no avail. Oichi did send her daughters into Hideyoshi's care, but stayed herself to die with Katsuie as his castle was engulfed in flames.

One of her daughters, the future 'Yodogimi' would add yet another element of tragedy to this tale, although another would marry Tokugawa Hidetada - the 2nd Tokugawa shôgun - and produce the 3rd shôgun, Iemitsu
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Whatever happened to Oichi after the Azai was brought do Reply with quote
Hosokawa Gracia wrote:
...Ichi no tani with the intention of committing suicide. He begged Oichi to take her daughters and flee but to no avail.


Ichi-no-tani?!?! Guess I'll have to go fix that...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ichi no tani...? Laughing Not sure how that got in there.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe he fell down the cliff running away...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Whatever happened to Oichi after the Azai was brought do Reply with quote
Hosokawa Gracia wrote:
I found the following on the SA Home page and clicked on Famous Women:

Oichi
d.1583
Oda Nobunaga's Sister

Few women in Japanese history have quite the pathos of Oichi, a sister of Oda Nobunaga reknowned for her beauty. She was initially was married to Shibata Katsuie after the latter begged pardon for an abortive rebellion in 1557. Following Nobunaga's conquest of Mino in 1567, Nobunaga made Shibata divorce Oichi so that she might be sent as wife to the young Asai Nagamasa, lord of N. Ômi province. Through Nagamasa she bore one son (Manjumaru) and three daughters. Unfortunately, Nagamasa betrayed his alliance with Nobunaga in 1570 and went to war with him on behalf of the Asakura family. The fighting continued for three years until the Asakura were destroyed and Nagamasa's Odani Castle was surrounded. Nobunaga requested that his sister be returned to him, and this Nagamasa allowed, sending out Oichi and her three daughters. Nagamasa and Manjumaru then perished, leaving Oichi to be shuffled back to Katsuie (though when this happened seems to be a point of debate).

In 1583, following Nobunaga's death, Shibata Katsuie and Toyotomi Hideyoshi went to war over the issue of succession. Katsuie's army was crushed at Shizugatake in the hills of northern Ômi, and the old general himself (who had not been present at the battle) shut himself up in Ichi no tani with the intention of committing suicide. He begged Oichi to take her daughters and flee but to no avail. Oichi did send her daughters into Hideyoshi's care, but stayed herself to die with Katsuie as his castle was engulfed in flames.

One of her daughters, the future 'Yodogimi' would add yet another element of tragedy to this tale, although another would marry Tokugawa Hidetada - the 2nd Tokugawa shôgun - and produce the 3rd shôgun, Iemitsu


Yeah, I read the Samurai Archives entry. I was hoping if there's more information for what happened. A lot of historical drama and movie prefer to show that Oichi only married Shibata AFTER the Oda succession conference at Kiyosu. If that were the case, does anyone know of any theories or even some sort of vague mentions where she lived at prior to that?
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