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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject: Japanese Shield? Reply with quote
A while back I stumbled across this image of a purported "Japanese Shield"


Somehow, I'm not buying it. Maybe it's the sword with it. The style is vaguely reminiscent of Chinese shield designs, so I thought that there was a slim possibility this actually COULD be a Chinese-influenced shield from ancient Japan.

Though the style doesn't appear to be the round, buckler type of the Te-date or the square Bajo-date style. I suppose it's possible it could be a Mochi-date shield, but with very little reliable information on early Japanese shields, there's no way to say for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is definitively a matter for Tony...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Does't look too similar to any Chinese types I've seen in terms of style, the size fits right in with some Tang dynasty shields though.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Similar shield appears on color plates in Tony Bryant's book 'Early Samurai 200-1500 AD'. One of the 'spiraling' design in front of the shield in the photo appears on the shield in Tony's book.

A Yayoi military officer with Himiko is illustrated holding the shield. Behind the officer a Yayoi common soldier is illustrated holding a polearm/pickaxe that were also used by Chinese soldiers. This common Yayoi soldier is illustrated with a sword (short, straight blade) similar to the photo above.

Japanese warfare dominated by infantry at this time, with phalanxes and shield walls. Hand-held shields were about 4 feet in height and were like pavises.

Japanese warriors with these shields looked like this:
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/fukusei/2.htm
Japanese warriors would have worn a cuirass made of wood to go with the shield, armed with straight swords, spears or polearm/pickaxe.
Himiko:
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/fukusei/4.htm

In another plate in Tony's book, a common Japanese soldier during the invasion of Korea 366 AD is also shown with a similar shield, this time it appears covered in metal plates.

Japanese armour illustrated circa 500-600 AD?:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
evalerio wrote:
Similar shield appears on color plates in Tony Bryant's book 'Early Samurai 200-1500 AD'. One of the 'spiraling' design in front of the shield in the photo appears on the shield in Tony's book.

A Yayoi military officer with Himiko is illustrated holding the shield. Behind the officer a Yayoi common soldier is illustrated holding a polearm/pickaxe that were also used by Chinese soldiers. This common Yayoi soldier is illustrated with a sword (short, straight blade) similar to the photo above.

Japanese warfare dominated by infantry at this time, with phalanxes and shield walls. Hand-held shields were about 4 feet in height and were like pavises.

Japanese warriors with these shields looked like this:
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/fukusei/2.htm
Japanese warriors would have worn a cuirass made of wood

Oh man, don't let Tony catch you saying that... Aaah!
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to go with the shield, armed with straight swords, spears or polearm/pickaxe.
Himiko:
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/fukusei/4.htm

In another plate in Tony's book, a common Japanese soldier during the invasion of Korea 366 AD is also shown with a similar shield, this time it appears covered in metal plates.

Armour illustrated circa 500-600 AD?:

Other than that, your response was very helpful.


BTW, look like the link to your last image is a little broke.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm assuming it was about the cuirass made of wood? Straight out of Tony's book. Smile ('carved hardwood coated with russet, red, and black pigmented lacquers' for the officer and simple wooden cuirass for the common soldier.)

The shield in your photo is said to be typical of the early Japanese period. The 'spiral' boss is characteristic, and have been found in southern Korea. The sword in your photo appears to be the same one in the color plate with similar pommel and hilt.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
On the spiral design of the Yayoi period shields, Professor J. Edward Kidder, Jr. has the following to say in his recently released book on Himiko:

Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai, Page 86 wrote:
Also recovered [at Yoshinogari] were fragments of stone molds for casting daggers, socketed spearheads, and shield ornaments of the type with central knob and seven whirling tails (tomoe). Examples of the last of these bronzes from the Mukaebaru site in Fukuoka are noted as Middle Yayoi. The shield ornament is thought to have been modeled after the gouty spider conch shell called suijigi (Harpo chiraga), usually with six sharply curved spikes. The habitat of this shell ranges from the Kii peninsula toward the south.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting tower shield. Shield wall perhaps but certainly not a phalanx.
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